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Ancient Islamic Texts Resurface (Impugning The Legitimacy of the Koran,Islam)
The Third Eye Concept ^ | January 14, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 01/19/2008 2:38:36 AM PST by america4vr

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To: AdmSmith

It was not without Schadenfreude that the press published the story: there was no reason for the plane-crashers of 11 September 2001 to count on 72 virgins in paradise. They would only find grapes there. The reason for this disappointing news? A simple reading mistake in the text of the Quran.

https://www.livius.org/articles/misc/luxenberg-thesis/


161 posted on 04/05/2021 4:48:04 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Jay Smith raises some interesting questions in his presentation from 2018:

THE QUR'AN’S HISTORICAL PROBLEMS: Assessing the newest research on the historicity of the Qur’an

http://www.ysljdj.com/images/files/historicalProblems.pdf

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textual_criticism of the Quran is only in its infancy and there is a lot to be done.

162 posted on 04/05/2021 5:03:15 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: BuffaloJack
Are the muzzies sure the koran was dictated by the Archangel Gabriel and not the Archangel Lucifer?

What kind of angel hangs out inside a cave? A djinn/demon, that's what.

163 posted on 04/05/2021 5:11:44 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: AdmSmith

Jay Smith in 2019:

Historical Critique Islam’s Beginnings 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MclhqLUDT50

Historical Critique Islam’s Beginnings 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJhCpCH5xHk

Historical Critique Quran Origins 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nBO6ja0_RU

Historical Critique Quran Origins 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fro5l-Vekd8


164 posted on 04/07/2021 4:39:40 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Dan Gibson:

This indicates that Islam began in the city of Petra and it was the location of the original Ka’ba, the original focus of Islamic prayer and the focus of the ancient pilgrimage.

Al Ṭabarī tells us: According to Muḥammad ibn ’Umar al-Wāqidī - Ibrāhīm ibn Mūsā Ikrimah ibn Khālid: Ibn al-Zubayr demolished the sanctuary (Ka’ba) until he had leveled it to the ground, and he dug out its foundation …. He placed the Black Cornerstone by it in an ark [tabut] in a strip of silk.8 With the Ka’ba destroyed, Ibn Al Zubayr himself led the pilgrimage that year, and then for the the next three years there was no pilgrimage, as no one came to the Holy City.

When there was a lull in the war to choose a new caliph, Ibn Zubayr decided to rebuilt the Ka’aba. The Islamic records, written some two hundred years later, do not tell us where this construction took place. It could have been in Petra, or it could have been in far away Mecca, in Saudi Arabia, in a valley where it was safe from the Umayyad armies.

http://thesacredcity.ca/When%20Did%20the%20Qibla%20Change.pdf


165 posted on 04/07/2021 6:37:11 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
This 1.5 h video https://nabataea.net/cinema/sacredcity/1/ is a good presentation that in the beginning Petra was the place for the Ka’ba.

If that is correct it seems that the winner has been very successful in hiding the origins. Perhaps the lack of texts about the first years of Islam and the odd texts in the Quran indicates that Islam is a later construction perhaps by Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan.

166 posted on 04/07/2021 10:15:06 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

The Islamic Traditions have always claimed that the Hajj has only occurred in one city: Mecca.

Yet, the historical record researched by Gibson now suggests that every one of the stages of the Hajj were practiced much earlier and much further north, in fact 600 miles further north, in Petra.

What’s more, the ‘Masjid al Haram’ (the forbidden place of bowing) Gibson found also existed in Petra long before Mecca.

Most significantly, however, Gibson discovered that the reasons behind moving out of Petra to Mecca had everything to do with Politics, and virtually nothing to do with theology.

They were simply following the ‘black stone’, which ironically is stilled housed on the Eastern corner of the Ka’aba...in Mecca!

23 min video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKtOmlgQS5A


167 posted on 04/08/2021 2:23:21 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

The Arabic name ‘Allah’ is borrowed from the earlier Nabataean Aramaic name for god ‘Ilaha’. In Petra, the seat of the Nabataean empire, around 600 miles north of Mecca, the senior god which was worshiped was referred to as ‘Dusharah’. There is the ruin of a temple to Dusharah in Petra today. That was his formal name.

But his generic title was ‘Ilaha’, which simply means ‘the god’, nothing more. Yet, it is that title which now has become in Arabic ‘Allah’, the god of Islam.
The god Dusharah had a wife named Al-Uzza, whose generic title was ‘Al-lat’, which is the feminine form of ‘Allah’, the generic title of the Nabataean god.

These two names, Al-Uzza and Al-Lat should not be a surprise to Muslims as they are well known to them because they are both in the Qur’an, in Surah 53:19-20.

more here (18 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeGG1ACQXh8


168 posted on 04/08/2021 2:42:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: verga

Mohammedanism is rotten at its core and at its core is Mohammed.


169 posted on 04/08/2021 3:34:10 AM PDT by kanawa ((Securing the 2022/2024 elections is of paramount importance.))
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