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To: FishTale
In case you've forgotten, my whole point was defending the Patriots as being one of the best teams in football. Not the best just one of them. I never said anything about a Super Bowl. I said one of the best teams. So let's take the year individually as you did. I said they were one of the best teams in football. The time frame was heading into the 2007 season. In 2006, which is the season before the 2007 one, they were in the AFC Championship game. How is being one of the last 4 teams standing not one of the best?

Your point has changed multiple times so how am I supposed to keep track of them all?

And assuming that I am defending Belichick(sp) is your final gaffe. Please show me once where I defended him? I have been debating your comments about Welker selling his soul which turned into semantics about the Patriots and their standing in the NFL which then turned into the Patriots not being the Super Bowl quality team that they had hoped to be in 2006 so they identified where they needed help and they went out and found that help.

So how did Welker sell his soul when he was traded to the Patriots before they were caught cheating? The original point had nothing to do with how good Welker was only that he sold his soul.

75 posted on 01/29/2008 11:41:42 AM PST by Bigoleelephant (Lawyers are to America what lead was to Rome.)
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To: Bigoleelephant
"And assuming that I am defending Belichick(sp) is your final gaffe. Please show me once where I defended him?"

Show me once where I assumed that you were defending Belichick.

In addition to being a now big-time football star, Welker is also a grown man and he has the power to make his own decisions both before AND after the scandal was known to the public. He, along with the rest of the team knew what was happening before they were caught. With this particular coach and organization, glory comes at a cost of the collective integrity of the team as well as the individual integrity of each man (selling your soul). You win as a team, you lose as a team. But you are still a member of that team for good or bad.

After they were caught? Not only did he or any other player speak out or distancing themselves from their cheating leader but they, as a team, decided to stick it in everybody's face by rallying around and blindly defending their coach. Sounds like a certain former President and his Democratic Congress. To a man, each individual member of that team lost their integrity and any due respect. Welker decided that his glorious opportunity was much more important to him than his own integrity or the integrity of the game.

76 posted on 01/29/2008 12:32:20 PM PST by FishTale
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