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Secondhand Smoke Debate Continues
Madistan.com ^ | January 28, 2008 | Samara Kalk Derby

Posted on 01/28/2008 5:43:52 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

Secondhand smoke is the Rodney Dangerfield of health care problems, said Dr. James Casanova, the vice president for medical affairs at St. Mary's Hospital.

"It hasn't gotten enough respect," Casanova said. "People think, 'Oh yeah, it's probably bad.' But when you read the statistics it blows you away."

Casanova recited the statistics Sunday afternoon during a town hall meeting at the Dry Bean Saloon in Fitchburg. The local event was one in a series of town halls being held around the state on Wisconsin's hotly debated smoke-free proposal.

Excess deaths from lung cancer due to secondhand smoke number 3,400 annually, according to a 2006 surgeon general's report summarizing 30 to 40 years of research, Casanova said.

Secondhand smoke has caused 435 deaths a year from sudden infant death syndrome and 47,000 excess deaths annually from cardiac disease, he said.

Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should've known better, Casanova said. "But she couldn't quite quit."

Casanova spoke as part of a panel at the event, which drew about 60 people and was designed to bring attention to the Breathe Free Wisconsin Act, a measure to end smoking in all indoor public places including workplaces, public buildings, restaurants and taverns. It passed a Senate committee this month and is waiting for a vote in the Senate.

The bill is supported by a diverse coalition of health care advocacy groups, tourism professionals and the Wisconsin Restaurant Association. Likewise, a broad group of supporters spoke out Sunday.

Maureen Busalacchi, executive director of Smoke Free Wisconsin, said that 15 countries are completely smoke-free as are 22 U.S. states. Minnesota went smoke-free in October; Illinois followed in January.

"Where is Wisconsin? It is time for Wisconsin to go smoke-free. We don't have time to wait anymore," she said, noting that the legislature is only in session until mid-March.

Al Tedeschi, owner of the Villa Tap on Madison's north side, said he was initially staunchly opposed to the city's smoking ban which went into effect 2 1/2 years ago. He watched as some of his fellow bar owners went out of business and added more food at his bar to stay competitive, he said.

He fully supports a statewide ban to "get everyone on the same playing field," Tedeschi said.

Dane County Board member Mark Opitz spoke about growing up in a home where both parents smoked. After he went away to school he found himself on a smoking floor with a smoking roommate at Macalester College. He lives in Middleton, where people can still smoke in restaurants.

"The patchwork of regulations that we have to date haven't done the job," he said. "Communities like mine are reluctant to follow suit."

Smoking, like storm water, traffic, public safety and disease, are regional issues that require regional solutions, Opitz said. "We can't have this piecemeal approach anymore This is the year when the state will rise to the challenge."

Gayle Zinda of Stoughton is a nurse who said she took up smoking because everyone around her did it. She quit 25 years ago, but last year when she went in for a hip replacement she was told she had lung cancer.

"I was totally devastated," she said, adding that she has made it her personal responsibility to talk to anyone who will listen. In fact, Zinda was able to talk Ken Gulseth, owner of the Koffee Kup restaurant in Stoughton into going smoke-free.

"It's the best decision I've made in my career as a restaurant owner," Gulseth said Sunday. He said he hasn't seen any decrease in business and he is the only restaurant in town, with the exception of Culver's and McDonald's, that is entirely smoke-free.

"I hope to God we can get everyone in town and everyone in the state to go smoke-free," he said.

Casanova put it this way: If word got out that the community's water was contaminated, that it had arsenic or cyanide or radioactive substances, the community would be outraged, he said.

"Why are we not equally outraged by contaminated air?"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: pufflist

1 posted on 01/28/2008 5:43:53 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Gabz; SheLion

Your rebuttal? ;)

It’s coming. And it’s coming fast. My Mayor said he would NOT support a smoking ban...and he was re-elected in a landslide. And guess what? Now he’s FOR a smoking ban, and it starts April 1st. Two pubs and a bowling alley are “exempt” for two more years, for some reason.

That must be where he goes to smoke. *SHRUG*


2 posted on 01/28/2008 5:46:06 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The research that shows this is based on a meta analysis conduct by the US Surgeon General. What they did it take a bunch of studies that were not statistically significant and pooled them together. It’s BS.


3 posted on 01/28/2008 5:48:38 PM PST by enough_idiocy (Romney/Thompson or Steele '08)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Excess deaths from lung cancer due to secondhand smoke number 3,400 annually, according to a 2006 surgeon general's report summarizing 30 to 40 years of research, Casanova said.

Reports, statistics...anyone got real data?

Nah, I didn't think so.

4 posted on 01/28/2008 5:48:47 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Talk about blowin smoke up somebody’s rear end.
Where’s the scientific proof?
As sensical as Human induced Global Warming.. just the last secular religion prior to ALGORE.


5 posted on 01/28/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; ...

Nanny State Ping...........


6 posted on 01/28/2008 5:52:29 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

So much to rebuttal - so little time...............


7 posted on 01/28/2008 5:54:22 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should’ve known better, Casanova said. “But she couldn’t quite quit.””

I wonder how the above relates to 2nd hand smoke? And... at 75 years old, should not she have been allowed to smoke?

Nanny state AND smoking Nazi united.

.....Bob


8 posted on 01/28/2008 5:56:20 PM PST by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
The smoke concentration in the non-smoking section of a restaurant with decent ventilation will be many orders of magnitude below the smoke concentration to which a smoker subjects himself. If the former posed a significant hazard, the latter would be instantly fatal.

I would certainly accept that second-hand smoke could be hazardous if a non-smoker were in a poorly-ventilated room surrounded by smokers. I don't see that as any reason to ban smoking in well-ventilated restaurants, though.

9 posted on 01/28/2008 6:06:44 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Anyone who believes this crap should move to the moon. Can someone tell me how much carbon monoxide a car puts out in 10 mins vs one cigarette? Must be much more since 1/2 hr with it piped in the car and your DEAD!

You can smoke cigerettes for 20 yrs and still walk away!

10 posted on 01/28/2008 6:12:30 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

For the life of me I can’t understand why smokers endure this fascism.

If smokers voted in a block they would probably control every local election. This totally puzzles me why they don’t do this and simply quietly accept this.


11 posted on 01/28/2008 6:30:14 PM PST by jtal
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Just remember that second hand smoke causes global warming so by opposing a total ban on all smoking anywhere in this country you’re deliberately destroying the world.


12 posted on 01/28/2008 7:02:06 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You know, it's interesting. My Grandmother, who died in 1983 at the age of 93, grew up and lived in a time where everyone smoked, even in elevators and movie house for a while; airplanes, restaurants, even smoked herself - socially. Was alive and kicking until the day she died.

Her husband died much earlier from complications of diabetes.

Life's a crap shoot people. Live your own life and allow others to do the same. If you don't want to associate with people that don't adhere to your lifestyle; then don't. But don't go around trying to be a nanny to everyone else.

13 posted on 01/28/2008 7:08:34 PM PST by AFreeBird (No Romney, No Rudy, No McLame, No Huck, No Paul! Toss the GOP into the ashcan of History.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I wonder why a person can’t open up a tobacco lounge, and then also serve beer and soda pop and other refreshments?


14 posted on 01/28/2008 7:08:58 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
We have a smoking ban here in Indy. Not total, but most of my old favorite restaurants and bars had to go smoke free.

But there's a Hooka bar in town. Owned by a Lebanese guy, who also has a Gyro joint.

Funny.

15 posted on 01/28/2008 7:17:52 PM PST by AFreeBird (No Romney, No Rudy, No McLame, No Huck, No Paul! Toss the GOP into the ashcan of History.)
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To: AFreeBird
Well there ya go! All they need to do is start selling cigars, put in a bunch of big screen TVs, add a jukebox, and then get a liquor license.
16 posted on 01/28/2008 7:22:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: AFreeBird
Well there ya go! All they need to do is start selling cigars, put in a bunch of big screen TVs, add a jukebox, and then get a liquor license.
17 posted on 01/28/2008 7:23:06 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Once the government attacked my personal life, the people who voted for these laws, are now potential subjects of personal attacks also.

It was their choice....

18 posted on 01/28/2008 7:28:01 PM PST by Hunble
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To: mamelukesabre
One of my favorite places was a place that was actually three restaurants in one. Only one part was a "non smoking" place from the git go. The other two allowed smoking, the last part, was a cigar martini bar; had great live bands; small intimate, great smoke eater air handling large screen TV's, great food. But because they shared a common kitchen, the city eventually forced them to go non smoking.

I HATE busy bodies with a passion.

19 posted on 01/28/2008 7:55:24 PM PST by AFreeBird (No Romney, No Rudy, No McLame, No Huck, No Paul! Toss the GOP into the ashcan of History.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Secondhand smoke has caused 435 deaths a year from sudden infant death syndrome”

Now see! This is why people don’t take this shit seriously!! this statement is absolutely false! No one has EVER BEEN ABLE TO PROVE to ANY degree that second hand smoke causes SIDS! not even close.

It makes me so MAD!!! Blame the parents smoking for something that the doctors haven’t got a clue about. Way to make the grieving parents feel even WORSE! A-HOLES!


20 posted on 01/28/2008 8:05:14 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should’ve known better, Casanova said. “But she couldn’t quite quit.””

Um...isn’t 75 past the age where we would consider someone to die “young?”

I’d say this just proves the point that smoking won’t always cut your life short. I know many non smokers who didn’t make it to 75 years old!

so basically...your going to die anyway...why not do what you WANT?


21 posted on 01/28/2008 8:08:56 PM PST by annelizly
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To: MrPiper; Gabz

“You can smoke cigerettes for 20 yrs and still walk away!”


55 years smoking and here I am.

You want filth,check out the black,disgusting snowbanks all over Massachusetts-—and this is what they don’t mind us breathing.

It has nothing to do with health-—smoking just BOTHERS some people,so they ban it.


22 posted on 01/28/2008 8:14:58 PM PST by Mears
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Does the Wisconsin Bill mandate RADON testing of every workplace, restaurant, hotel, bar and rental lodging {long or short term}?

Is there money to inform Tourist and truckers, etc., of counties to AVOID overnighting in?

23 posted on 01/28/2008 9:14:45 PM PST by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: annelizly
Now see! This is why people don’t take this shit seriously!! this statement is absolutely false! No one has EVER BEEN ABLE TO PROVE to ANY degree that second hand smoke causes SIDS! not even close.

You don't understand statistical homeopathy. If someone who spends 16 hours a day in a poorly-ventilated room with a dozen smokers gets lung cancer, that suggests that cigarette smoke is somewhat hazardous; if someone who once has sat once within thirty feet of a smoker, but has no other exposure to smoke whatsoever, gets lung cancer, that shows that cigarette smoke is extremely dangerous (so much so that even that tiny exposure could cause cancer).

24 posted on 01/28/2008 9:28:58 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Bull and I’m not a smoker


25 posted on 01/28/2008 9:32:56 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should’ve known better, Casanova said. “But she couldn’t quite quit.”

Considering that the average life expectancy for a female born in 1930 was 63.5 years, and for a female born in 1935 was 65 years, and that his sister was born in 1932, I would say that smoking added 10 years of life to her.

There, how’s that? Do I qualify for a government grant to study the subject?


26 posted on 01/29/2008 7:18:29 AM PST by CSM ("Dogs and beer. Proof that God loves us.- Al Gator (8/24/2007))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’ve never gone to a funeral for anyone who died of “second-hand smoke”. I do not believe I know anyone who has ever been to the funeral of someone who died from “second-hand smoke”.

I have, however, been to the funeral of a non-smoker/non second-hand smoker who was hit by a car while taking her daily jog. Maybe second-hand smoke was in the driver’s eyes...


27 posted on 01/29/2008 7:30:56 AM PST by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: mamelukesabre

You probably can, but if the food and drink gets to be the major revenue item, they say you’re a restaurant and your exemption is revoked. Also, believe it or not, some municipalities even ban smoking in tobacco related businesses.


28 posted on 01/29/2008 7:35:16 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Since they are making up numbers, let's just say that secondhand smoke kills 4 million a year.

I don't enjoy sports. I want sports banned because sports bore me. Sports are a dangerously addictive product marketed to children. Approximately 3 million children and adolescents ages 14 and under get hurt annually playing sports or participating in recreational activities.

Now see, that's a real number, not made up. Who's with me in banning sports? If you aren't, you want to hurt or kill children.
29 posted on 01/29/2008 7:36:11 AM PST by mysterio
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To: TASMANIANRED

I say bull and I’m an EX smoker (those are the worst about telling everyone else to quit - though I’ve never ventured into quitters’ evangelism myself.)


30 posted on 01/29/2008 7:38:38 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Lokibob

The concern is that someone, somewhere will die prematurely, a point in one’s life without a clear distinction; for him to use his 75 yr old sister makes me wonder how long he thinks she should have lived.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 7:54:32 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: annelizly

SIDS simply means an unexpected death from no discernible cause; from emedicehealth.com:

“Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) Overview

Sudden infant death syndrome (also known as SIDS) is defined as the sudden death of an infant younger than 1 year. If the child’s death remains unexplained after a formal investigation into the circumstances of the death (including performance of a complete autopsy, examination of the death scene, and review of the clinical history), the death is then attributed to SIDS. Sudden infant death is a tragic event for any parent or caregiver.

SIDS is suspected when a previously healthy infant, usually younger than 6 months, is found dead in bed. In most cases, no sign of distress is identifiable. The baby typically feeds normally prior to being placed in bed to sleep. The infant is then discovered lifeless, without pulse or respiration. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) may be initiated at the scene, but evidence shows a lack of beneficial effect from CPR. The cause of death remains unknown despite a careful review of the medical history, scene investigation, x-rays, and autopsy.

SIDS is rare during the first month of life. Risk peaks in infants aged 2-4 months, and then declines.

About 90% of SIDS deaths occur in infants younger than 6 months.

Even though the specific cause (or causes) of SIDS remains unknown, scientific efforts have eliminated various misleading theories. We now know the following about SIDS:

Apnea (cessation of breathing) of prematurity or apnea of infancy are felt to be clinical conditions that are distinct from SIDS. Infants with apnea may be managed with electronic monitors prescribed by doctors that track heart rate and respiratory activity. Apnea monitors will not prevent SIDS.

SIDS is not predictable or preventable.

Infants may experience episodes termed apparent life-threatening events (ALTEs). These are clinical events in which young infants may experience abrupt changes in breathing, color, or muscle tone. Common causes of ALTEs include respiratory infection, gastroesophageal reflux disease, or seizure. However, no definite scientific evidence links ALTEs as events that may lead to SIDS.

SIDS is not caused by immunizations or bad parenting.

SIDS is not contagious or hereditary.

SIDS is not anyone’s fault.”


32 posted on 01/29/2008 8:02:44 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

emedicinehealth.com


33 posted on 01/29/2008 8:05:40 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"It hasn't gotten enough respect," Casanova said. "People think, 'Oh yeah, it's probably bad.' But when you read the statistics it blows you away."

Yo Cassanova!
Ya wanna blow sumtin' away?

34 posted on 01/29/2008 8:10:17 AM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: MrB

Me neither....


35 posted on 01/29/2008 10:00:00 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: jtal

>>If smokers voted in a block they would probably control every local election. This totally puzzles me why they don’t do this and simply quietly accept this.

Most people have internalized the demonisation of smokers, including smokers. Many, many agree with the leper status they have in America, and now, increasingly in Europe. And I don’t anyone expected the draconian bans, including nightclubs and bars. After all, restaurants had banned it and bars were the only place left.

I haven’t met many bartenders who like it, but some have.

>>get everyone on the same playing field

Ah, yes, once one town bans, the others use this argument.


36 posted on 01/31/2008 1:12:30 PM PST by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2686 or so since September 11 2001!)
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