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Was Dwight D. Eisenhower a liberal
Blue Works Better ^ | By MannyGoldstein at Sun

Posted on 02/08/2008 7:15:11 AM PST by meandog

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To: drpix
Ha! LOL! Look, I loved Reagan but the fact of the matter is, despite what you say or Ed Meese writes, he signed amnesty and some of the same issues about illegals then are the same today. McCain has promised to secure the border and then tackle immigration...I expect (hope) that his plan will be to make the short-termers go home and the ones here more than a decade with families and American-born babies get in line for a path towards citizenship. I would not expect him to “round ‘em up, drive ‘em out” in (a 90-day Romney) program reminiscent of the Frankie Lane musical theme from "Rawhide" and more resembling ethnic cleaning than immigration reform.
101 posted on 02/08/2008 10:26:09 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: meandog
I see Obama as the reincarnation of Adali Stevenson—a flaming liberal who was twice toasted by the Republicans.

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If only there were a Republican running...

102 posted on 02/08/2008 10:28:47 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: drpix

Wow....Great catch. I never knew about this.


103 posted on 02/08/2008 10:32:03 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: meandog
"The two-party system has worked fairly well, I suppose."

The operative word in that statement is "has", IMO.

The excesses of party power are coming home to roost. A pox on both their houses from me, any way!

But I will not be sitting home on election day. Don't know who I will be voting for as I live in a very strongly Democrat held district, but will still make my wee itty bitty voice heard, if by no one else, self.

As for McCain, believe I already stated the only scenario I could see myself voting for him.

104 posted on 02/08/2008 10:34:05 AM PST by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "r"epublican!)
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To: wtc911

Bad comparison. Obama is a Jack Kennedy type, actually he is more effective than Kennedy. Stevenson was something of a mama’s boy type The president in Dr. Strangelove was modelled after him. Obama will win in November big time if the Democrats are smart enough to nominate him.


105 posted on 02/08/2008 10:35:04 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: meandog

I respect Ike to a degree Ike, but he was always a mushy moderate. Hell, he would have fired Patton if Roosevelt, Marshall, and Churchill had not liked Patton so much. Ike also fired Patton for not kissing Russian Arse and for using former-low ranking nazis (the non-murdering ones) to keep critical services going. Ike did not even attend Patton’s funeral. If you read any books about Patton (and love and respect the man like I do), you get a real ambivalent feeling for Ike and a deep hatred for Beadle Smith. Ike was a political CEO type and was not a warrior.


106 posted on 02/08/2008 10:38:42 AM PST by ohioman
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To: meandog

The 82nd Congress under Truman saw both Houses controlled by the Dems. During Ike’s terms of office, the 83rd Congress brought a small majority for the Republicans in both Houses. For the rest of his years in the White House, both Houses of Congress were controlled by the Dems (84th, 85th, and 86th). The 87th Congress with John F. Kennedy in the White House brought a Dem controlled Congress. They controlled both Houses until the 97th Congress when the Republicans were given control of the Senate. Split control of the House and Senate continued until the 100th Congress when the Dems regained control of both Houses. This continued until the 104th Congress when the Republicans had control of both Houses. And we all know the history since then.


107 posted on 02/08/2008 10:45:02 AM PST by mass55th
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To: Captain Kirk
The Stevenson comparison was not mine, my post was a reply to it.

I think as you do about Obama's chances against McCain, especially if there are more than two televised debates. If we are right then God help us all.

108 posted on 02/08/2008 10:45:16 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: meandog

Ike did fire Patton. And to top that, he did not attend his funeral. One of the last words Patton said to his wife Beatrice before he died from injuries sustained in a car accident was ....”I want you to promise me that that Son-of-a-Bitch Beadle Smith comes nowhere near my funeral.”


109 posted on 02/08/2008 10:45:22 AM PST by ohioman
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To: meandog

Fired him for what? It was the 1940s for crying out loud. Public statements misinterpreted should not kill a general’s job.


110 posted on 02/08/2008 11:07:43 AM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The devil’s in the details and the other “parties” (as in Italy, I suppose) are just spins on the 2 sides. Essentially, people cannot help but gravitate to 1 side or the other. It seems having parties - particularly 2 prominent 1s - is natural.

Disagree. The US probably has a stable 2 party system because it reflects the way power is divided in our constitutional form of government. Executive vs. Legislative. Senate vs. House. See what I mean?

Every once in a while a 3rd party gains a little bit of traction, yet it gets absorbed within 2 election cycles. This is probably due to the way the R's & D's conspire to limit ballot access. Parlimentary democracies usually have a plethora of parties - forcing coalition government. Italy & Israel spring to mind, but most any European country also fits the bill.

111 posted on 02/08/2008 11:14:03 AM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Captain Kirk

Your right. The US military was officially de-Segregated in 1947 by order of Harry Truman. But there were still all-Black infantry regiments at the outset of the Korean War (1950).


112 posted on 02/08/2008 11:16:39 AM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: meandog

I think whoever gets elected has very little maneuvering room on the border issue. I think the border is going to get ‘sealed’ as a first step to any immigration policy that might get adopted. The constituency for an open border is as much a non-starter with the majority of Dems as it is for conservatives.


113 posted on 02/08/2008 11:20:19 AM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: ohioman

Frankly I think Ike had a bit of an inferiority complex when it came to officers who ranked him in the Regular Army. Patton would have been at the top of that list since he was the nearly the oldest general officer retained by the Army at the outset of the war. MacArthur was a former Army Chief of Staff and Ike didn’t like him either.

Patton outranked Eisenhower in the Regular Army almost to the end of WW2. It was only in late ‘44 or early ‘45 that permanent RA rank was conferred on Eisenhower. Had he been cashiered (say the Normandy Landings had failed) Ike would have gone stateside as a BG. Patton was a MG in the RA having commanded the 2nd Armored in the 1940 Maneuvers.


114 posted on 02/08/2008 11:30:16 AM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: ohioman

That’s right, he canned Patton over his statement that some Nazis were “more or less” like the Republican or Democratic parties at the same time we were uncovering the evidence of the “camps.” But my point is that he did let Patton have 3rd Army and Patton’s troops “more than less” loved old Blood and Guts.


115 posted on 02/08/2008 11:32:06 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: meandog

I agree with both you and Tallguy. I admit I am biased for Patton as both my Grandfather’s served under Patton and both had a great deal of respect and admiraton for the man. One Grandfather got to drive the General around a couple of times and the other met him while on guard as an MP.


116 posted on 02/08/2008 3:43:27 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Richard Kimball
"John Kennedy, before his assassination, was hoping to run against Goldwater, whom he knew he would beat easily."

I wouldn't say he was THAT confident. JFK's popularity was waning considerably as the '64 elections approached. He was in danger of losing the South en masse (one reason that precipitated his trip to Texas to try to mend fences. He was about as popular as AIDS in Dallas, which had a very Conservative anti-JFK Republican representing it, Bruce Alger, whom is still alive today at almost 90, a year younger than JFK would be). JFK's assassination did more to bolster the Democrats than anything else. Had he lived, it was quite possible he might've lost or only narrowly prevailed, with considerably reduced Dem numbers in Congress (as it was, the Dems swept gargantuan majorities in the House and reelected most of the 1958 Senate flukes who won in reaction to Ike's 6th year).

117 posted on 02/08/2008 4:22:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: cripplecreek
My dad said the same thing. He tried to surround himself with people that were beyond reproach but it really wasn’t that good a POTUS. He took advantage of history.
118 posted on 02/08/2008 4:26:36 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: ohioman

Patton also had a pitbull (bullterrier) riding with him in the front of his jeep...


119 posted on 02/08/2008 4:35:24 PM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: meandog
I am posting this because Ike reminds me a lot of John McCain

I think I saw your marbles on ebay or craigslist.

Just telling ya in case you want them back.

120 posted on 02/08/2008 4:39:12 PM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican.)
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