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Was Dwight D. Eisenhower a liberal
Blue Works Better ^ | By MannyGoldstein at Sun

Posted on 02/08/2008 7:15:11 AM PST by meandog

I am constantly amazed (and annoyed) when the Right claims that the US has been hijacked by the Left over the past few decades. This is utter nonsense - the actual evidence indicates that we've moved far, far to the Right.

Consider the case of Dwight D. Eisenhower, the 34th President of the United States (1953-1961), Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during World War II, and a Republican. Funny thing is, by today's standards, Ike would be a flaming liberal, to the Left of all recent serious contenders for the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

Ike on Taxes First, a quick definition of earned income vs. capital gains.

Earned income is income made from a job.

Capital gains, in contrast, is money made from the appreciation in value of something one owns (assets such as stocks, property, art, ...), rather than money earned from a job.

Average folks gets most of their income from their jobs, and thus the tax rate on earned income is most important to them. Rich people get most of their income from the appreciation of assets, and thus the tax rate on capital gains is more important to them.

Earned Income Tax: Ike's Time vs. Our Time

The highest tax bracket on earned income today is 35%. During Ike's administration, the highest tax bracket was 92% in 1953, and 91% thereafter [1]. Yes, taxes on the Rich were almost three times higher under the Republican Eisenhower compared to our current President, or compared to the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton!

Capital Gains Tax: Ike's Time vs. Our Time

It is considered to be almost the gospel today that capital gains should be taxed at a far lower rate than earned income. Today the maximum capital gains tax rate is a whopping 15% on assets that have been held for at least a year since purchase. This is why the middle class, who are dependant on earned income, effectively pay taxes at a higher rate than do the wealthy.

In Ike's day, capital gains were not treated differently from earned income, so the rich paid 91% tax on capital gains. From 91% to 15% - another reason why it's good to be rich!

Note that in 1955, in the middle of Ike's presidency, the typical (median) family paid less than 20% in all taxes [2]. By 2003, the total of all taxes paid by a typical family had more than doubled, to almost 40% of income.

So in Ike's day, the rich paid a lot of taxes, the middle-class paid a little taxes, and somehow it all worked out.

But Did Ike Want To Tax The Rich?

You might be curious as to whether Ike actually wanted such a high tax rate on the Rich, or was somehow forced into it by, say, a Democratically-controlled Congress. It turns out that when Ike ascended to the Presidency, both houses of Congress were indeed controlled by a single party - the Republican party. Republicans controlled the Presidency, the House, and the Senate - they could have done anything they wanted. And some in Congress did pressure Ike to roll back taxes on the rich, but he held the line, saying:

"We cannot afford to reduce taxes, reduce income,until we have in sight a program of expenditure that shows that the factors of income and outgo will be balanced."

Ike on Defense Ike was one tough hombre, the toughest of the tough. As Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, he had led millions of troops to take back Europe from the Nazis, and he got the job done. An astonishing feat, an honest "Mission Accomplished". Ike was President during the early part of the Cold War - a war where our opponent had actual weapons of mass destruction pointed at us. Let's see some of the things that Ike had to say about war, the millitary, and... Halliburton. Would Ike's views be considered to be Liberal or Right-wing today?

On the millitary in general "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms in not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense."

On the Iraq War "All of us have heard this term 'preventative war' since the earliest days of Hitler. I recall that is about the first time I heard it. In this day and time... I don't believe there is such a thing; and, frankly, I wouldn't even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing."

On Halliburton "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Ike on the Labor Movement We'll let Ike speak for himself on this one:

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice."

" . . . Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers, and . . . a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society."

and while we're at it:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Ike and Socialized Medicine

In 1960 Eisenhower signed into law the Kerr-Mills Bill, generally considered to be the forerunner of Medicare. For the first time, Kerr-Mills provided for government payment of medical bills of 70% of citizens aged 65 and older. When was the last time you heard of even a Democrat suggesting an expansion of socialized medicine?

Ike And Unilateralism Eisenhower knew the value of working closely with allies, and specifically of working out problems peaceully through the UN. While the Right would have you believe that the UN is some sort of recent liberal plot to displace the US, the reality is that the UN grew out of the alliance of 26 nations forged to fight the axis powers in WWII. Eisenhower was, in effect, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe for the United Nations. For example, when President Truman announced the surrender of Germany he said “General Eisenhower informs me that the forces of Germany have surrendered to the United Nations”.

Here, again, are Eisenhower's own words:

"The world must learn to work together, or finally it will not work at all."

"If the United Nations once admits that international disputes can be settled by using force, then we will have destroyed the foundation of the organization and our best hope of establishing a world order. "

"The people of the world genuinely want peace. Some day the leaders of the world are going to have to give in and give, it to them."


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KEYWORDS: eisenhower; ike; mccain; moderateike; presidents
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To: meandog

He was my grandmother’s favorite President. I have a soft spot for him because I loved her so much.


41 posted on 02/08/2008 7:53:40 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Moonman62

How old is Say’s law?
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It still took well over 100 years for anyone to connect the free market dots explicitely and come to the common sense conclusion that at some point reducing taxes can increase revenue. Everyone should have seen it . . . it’s obvious in retrospect.


42 posted on 02/08/2008 7:53:54 AM PST by Greg F (A vote for Huckabee is now a pure vote for a contested convention. Think about it.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Not sure how George Patton would have governed.

I suspect he would have ended up slapping a few congresscritters.

43 posted on 02/08/2008 7:53:58 AM PST by Erasmus (Exile from Gondwanaland)
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To: meandog

I am posting this because Ike reminds me a lot of John McCain

Agreed in part....

But not in this area:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_Administration

On June 17, 1954, Eisenhower launched Operation Wetback in response to increasing illegal immigration to the United States. As many as three million illegal immigrants had crossed the U.S. Mexican border to work in California, Arizona, Texas and other states. Eisenhower opposed this movement, believing that it lowered the wages of American workers and led to corruption. The Immigration and Naturalization Service sent back to Mexico about 80,000 immigrants.


44 posted on 02/08/2008 7:54:33 AM PST by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: meandog
Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex may have come from his close acquantance with the arrogant MacArthur who used military troops to attack American veterans at Washington D.C. in 1932 (see Bonus Army.) In regard to veterans in general, Eisenhower had reservations about MacArthur's act which barely skirted the Posse Comitatus Act.

Also, we know that Armistice Day was changed to Veteran's Day by Eisenhower after he became President. It seems likely that Eisenhower had a high regard for veterans.

45 posted on 02/08/2008 7:54:34 AM PST by Muleteam1 (To all Dems I say, bring on the broken glass.)
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To: Terpfen
Well, he certainly had no problem stabbing Patton in the back a few times.

He could have fired him too...but he didn't. He saw great potential in Patton...the same that Grant saw in Sherman and Lee in Jackson.

46 posted on 02/08/2008 7:54:56 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: jmyrlefuller
With the exception of Washington, generals generally don’t make good Presidents.

Yes, and nepotized Navy Captains don't make good conservative senators much either, apparently.

47 posted on 02/08/2008 7:56:52 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: meandog

Ike got five stars.

John McCain got none. Of course, he was missing 5 1/2 years worth of fitness reports.


48 posted on 02/08/2008 7:57:51 AM PST by Former War Criminal
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To: Greg F
It still took well over 100 years for anyone to connect the free market dots explicitely and come to the common sense conclusion that at some point reducing taxes can increase revenue.

That would be JFK, right?

49 posted on 02/08/2008 7:57:59 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: meandog
"The world must learn to work together, or finally it will not work at all."

Clearly, this statement of hope and warning has not been heeded. The UN General assembly is a polyglot of tin-pot dictators , radical islamists, and nations who hate the US simply because they are threatened by the freedoms we represent.

That said, don't you suppose that if President Eisenhower was alive today he might have seen things differently.

Most of us are appalled at the fraud, waste and abuse of power in Washington DC and are trying within our means to do something about it.

Remember the power equation: The Power equation: People who have power will not let go of it; people who want power will do most anything to get it This leaves us with the state of affairs we have today.

In the context of the past, we have to live with the choices and policies made in post Eisenhower history. When Johnson unexpectedly became president, he came with a lot of "baggage" He was a manipulative man with a "big government" bent. This resulted, over time, in the migration of the Republicans to the right as a counterbalance. Should this have happened? One can speculate about other scenarios, but what we have is what we have.

I suspect things are going to get a lot worse regardless of who is inaugurated in January.

Is Senator McCain the answer? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

50 posted on 02/08/2008 7:58:01 AM PST by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: meandog
...of course, the culture was vastly different.

It wasn't the culture that was different it was the world economy. The US manufacturing base was the only one left worth a damn. All of Europe was in ruins and Japan was just getting back on its feet. The US had no competition to speak of. The dollar was "all mighty".

When Kennedy reduced the tax rates it produced a surge in the economy that yielded more revenue to the government and was the source of funds for all the "Great Society" programs. ( Most of which were/are a complete waste of money)

Why not go back to pre-FDR days and see how things compare today with the days before that old socialist got into power.

51 posted on 02/08/2008 7:58:19 AM PST by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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To: cizinec
Do a search on how Ike took care of the illegal immigration problem and then ask if he was a liberal. He wasn’t. John McCain is. The comparison is insulting and misleading. Move on.

Check out # 30...I was there before you!

52 posted on 02/08/2008 7:58:57 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: meandog

A liberal? The John Birch Society used to call him a fellow traveler.


53 posted on 02/08/2008 8:01:24 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: meandog

The writer is playing tricks with the reader by manipulating numbers. The 90% top tax bracket is misleading because it was easier to find deductions, hide income and avoid taxes. Meanwhile, he doesn’t compare this number with the rate for the middle class tax brackets, but rather the total amount paid from the middle class as a percentage of income. This proves nothing because he doesn’t use the same numbers. THere is probably a reason the author used this slight of hand.


54 posted on 02/08/2008 8:01:28 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred Thompson 08)
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To: Moonman62

LOL . . . yes! IQ of 125 apparently trumped Ike’s monster brain. Although JFK may have been hung over so that would skew things a bit . . .


55 posted on 02/08/2008 8:02:47 AM PST by Greg F (A vote for Huckabee is now a pure vote for a contested convention. Think about it.)
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To: meandog

Ike was no McCain. Ike was smart and modest. U uniformed.


56 posted on 02/08/2008 8:03:58 AM PST by Broker (Grandpa Petti Bones wants to know.)
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To: TADSLOS; jmyrlefuller
With the exception of Washington, generals generally don’t make good Presidents.

Ever hear the name Andrew Jackson?

57 posted on 02/08/2008 8:06:48 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 327 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: meandog
The country enjoyed its greatest economic expansion (post WW-II had a lot to do with it) after Ike and, despite three recessions, most people who remember the time will tell you that they had it pretty good under Ike...of course, the culture was vastly different.

Yes, and that generation's grandchildren and great-grandchildren are picking up the tab for that "different culture." In order to have it "pretty good", they mortgaged the financial future of this country. Comparing McCain to a New Deal Republican like Eisenhower is not going to convince me to vote for him.
58 posted on 02/08/2008 8:07:41 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: meandog
Ike was before abortion on demand was declared to be a Constitutional right and Warren waited until the Kennedy administration before he threw out school prayer.

And the libs -- and Ike -- were right about Jim Crow.

59 posted on 02/08/2008 8:08:05 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: cripplecreek
"My grandfather called Ike a great man to serve under but a pretty mediocre president."

That was the consensus at the time.

Evan as a general, Ike was more an administrator than either ideologue or military genius - but he was a good administrator. He, like the country, was coming down from WW2; the country needed a good administrator without huge doctrinare ambitioons. In that light he probably WAS the right man at he right time.

Another poster noted: "Funny thing is, by today's standards, Ike would be a flaming liberal". OK, times change and someone else correctly noted that by today's standards, JFK was a flaming conservative.

As to being the right person at the right time - this time around we will be doing without.

60 posted on 02/08/2008 8:08:20 AM PST by norton (There is no longer any choice)
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