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Ancient Iron Ore Mine Discovered In Peruvian Andes (More)
National Geographic News ^ | 2-11-2008 | Kelly Hearn

Posted on 02/12/2008 2:17:28 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 02/12/2008 2:17:46 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 2:19:55 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

And it appears it was also owned by the Chinese....


3 posted on 02/12/2008 2:20:14 PM PST by PGR88
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To: blam

That’s some terrain!

“”Because mining is an extractive industry, it tends to destroy archaeological evidence,” he said.”

Digging a hole to find a hole...


4 posted on 02/12/2008 2:21:56 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: blam
It demonstrates that iron ores were important to ancient Andean civilizations.”

The discovery sheds light specifically on how hematite was used by the Nasca, who flourished along the Pacific coast from about 100 B.C. to around A.D. 600.
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Well,,,Strike me with a feather!

Aren’t these the very times that the Book of Mormon peoples were supposed to be using “steel”?

5 posted on 02/12/2008 2:23:22 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: blam

So basically this hematite/iron mine was used for paint pigment. There is no indication of any iron smelting.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 2:26:41 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: blam

According to Sitchin (Lost Realms), the Sumerians (or their gods) were mining tin and copper ca 4000-3000 BC by Lake Titicaca and making bronze.

He claims that the ruins at Tiahuanaco are not “temples” but an ore-refining site and that TI.ANA.KU in Sumerian means “City Bright Tin”.

Interesting supposition — or flight of fancy, depending upon your outlook.


7 posted on 02/12/2008 2:39:25 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: colorcountry
There are many ancient American iron smelting sites. Here’s just a couple for your perusal.

http://www.iwaynet.net/~wdc/

http://www.archaeologyfieldwork.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=135&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=be813b3e3b8737f344113b0bdaee70c9

But evidence is not what is needed. In fact, it’s the opposite of real knowledge, but you knew that.

8 posted on 02/12/2008 2:42:42 PM PST by sevenbak (Righteousness exalteth a nation... Proverbs 14:34)
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To: wintertime
From this verse they claim they were using both.

RLDS Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi Chapter 5 [15]
And I did teach my people to build buildings, and to work in all manner of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.

The LDS Book of Mormon is numbered different.

9 posted on 02/12/2008 2:42:48 PM PST by Spunky ("You have Freedom of Choice, but not the Consequences.")
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To: blam

That would be a hell of a commute.


10 posted on 02/12/2008 2:43:26 PM PST by dljordan
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To: wintertime; restornu

The time frame overlaps the last few centuries of the Book of Mormon peoples and a couple centuries after their civilization collapsed, the location is somewhat close to the region where most scholars think the BoM peoples lived. I would guess the people mining here were neighbors of the BoM peoples.

Resty, could you do the honors and ping the others? Thanks.


11 posted on 02/12/2008 2:47:19 PM PST by Grig (Howard Dean + Terry McAulif = Mike Huckabee , Hillary Clinton + Obama = McCain)
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To: sevenbak

Obviously there ARE iron smelting sites. This is not one of them, nor is this the appropriate time frame for what you wish to prove by evidence.

Steel? Now that is entirely a different matter.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 2:50:22 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry
The time frame is not in question, it’s all over the chronological map. The Book of Ether clearly states that the Jaredites were also smelting iron to be used in swords, and that was loooong before the Nephites.

It is you who are looking to disprove by evidence or lack thereof, I clearly stated quite the opposite, that ‘evidence’ will get you nowhere. If you wish to argue, take it someplace else please.

13 posted on 02/12/2008 3:11:23 PM PST by sevenbak (Righteousness exalteth a nation... Proverbs 14:34)
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To: sevenbak

I’m not looking for anything. Where did you get that?

I stated that there was now smelting at this site. Now don’t go away mad, just go away.


14 posted on 02/12/2008 3:13:10 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry; sevenbak
there was now NO smelting
15 posted on 02/12/2008 3:14:17 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sevenbak

“What we found is the only hematite mine, a type of iron also known as ochre, recorded in South America prior to the Spanish conquest. This discovery demonstrates that iron ores were important to ancient Andean civilizations.”
SOURCE: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080129125405.htm

“Hematite derives its name from the Greek word haimatites, meaning “bloodlike,” an allusion to the vivid red color of the powdered stone. The red powdered hematite, ochre (also spelled ocher), is used as a pigment with many uses presently and throughout history. Red ochre was used by prehistoric artists in their cave paintings. It was used by the ancient Egyptians in religious ceremonies, and as an inscription stone for passages in the Book of the Dead. Native Americans also used ochre as red face paint. Currently, powdered hematite is used in lapidary as a rouge polish and as a pigment in paints and crayons.”
SOURCE: http://www.mamasminerals.com/latestissue.html


16 posted on 02/12/2008 3:15:14 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry
Agreed, this isn’t even the type of iron vein to be used in iron smelting. Why are we having this discussion?

Wanna start a new thread? ;-)

17 posted on 02/12/2008 3:20:01 PM PST by sevenbak (Righteousness exalteth a nation... Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; asparagus; BlueMoose; Choose Ye This Day; ...

CTR


18 posted on 02/12/2008 3:23:01 PM PST by restornu (People do your own home work don't reley on the media!)
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To: blam

btt


19 posted on 02/12/2008 4:03:28 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: wintertime

“Swords of the finest steel...”

Is how I recollect it. (Open to correction on this point.)
It rather stood out as anachonistic. I don’t know the dating on the peoples mentioned in the book of Mormon. But steel did not exist in any quantity during the bronze or iron age. I believe some was made in India. Mass production happened after the introducation of the Bessemer process.


20 posted on 02/12/2008 7:07:27 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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