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Rise of the Reaper: Predator on Steroids (Hunter-Killer UAV)
Air Force Magazine ^ | Feb 2008 | John A. Tirpak

Posted on 02/15/2008 5:27:11 AM PST by Travis McGee

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To: tlj18; hollywood
The interesting thing without satellites is that if they shoot down everything, that means no GPS, no satellite-guided bombs, etc. I'm sure a lot of civilian operations would be affected. The military uses civilian satellites, too.

Not quite. The low earth orbit spy sats are the "low hanging fruit" that would be simple to target, and would remove our "big eyes" in space. But GPS sats are in very high orbits, I think above 10,000 miles up. There is a large "constellation" of them, and hitting a few would not take down GPS.

Most comm sats are in medium to high orbits, and are also harder to target.

THe other vulnerability of low earth orbit spy sats is that destroying them will put a cloud of debris into that altitude that might render low earth orbits unuseable for years.

61 posted on 02/15/2008 9:46:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos
Agree with all but the multi-layered canopy of jungle penetration ability is questionable IMO. I think such as we did encounter there and in central America the Congo etc would hamper the electronic ability of even the best of sensors the UAV’s have today.

Better put in a BIG order for Agent Orange.

62 posted on 02/15/2008 9:47:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ReignOfError
It's not like they're going to be dropping JDAMs or firing Hellfires on US soil.

Not yet, at least!

63 posted on 02/15/2008 9:48:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

LOL........weedeater.......:o)


64 posted on 02/15/2008 9:50:50 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Joe Brower

IMHO being hunted by one of these things is the definition of terror. It never rests, or feels pain, and you can’t hide from it.


65 posted on 02/15/2008 9:50:54 AM PST by lmailbvmbipfwedu
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To: Squantos

I wonder if the “real” pilots sit in a different part of the Nellis mess hall from the UAV pilots, and shoot each other dirty looks?

I wonder if the “real” pilots would give one of their bretheren hell for dating that female UAV pilot captain I photo’d back around reply 5?


66 posted on 02/15/2008 9:50:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
But if our own govt ever turns tyrant, forcing socialism, gun control etc on a largely unwilling nation, then these drones could be a fearsome tool against freedom.

If it comes to that, then the war has been lost. No group of patriots, or militia, or whatever you want to call it has jet fighters and tanks. Not to mention satellite surveillance and nukes.

No modern government has been overthrown without significant elements of the military switching sides. In Russia in 1917, the army resorted to using peasant conscripts, who were more sympathetic to the Bolsheviks than their officers. In China, the communists had been part of the WWII effort, and were a de facto part of the military, well-trained and well-equipped. In Russia in 1991, the coup failed because the tankers decided to defend Yeltsin and company at the White House rather than attack them.

If it were to come to that in the US, our best hope would be in the Reserves and the National Guard -- folks who don't live in the isolated world of the military, but with and among us. If ordered to fire on an unruly crowd of their neighbors, they would be less inclined to shoot the crowd than to shoot the officer giving the order.

67 posted on 02/15/2008 9:51:57 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: OKSooner

In my new book, the bad guys running the USA develop a kind of “mini-hellfire” that is more “useable.” Not as big of a crater, or collateral damage risk. Rides the UV laser down to its target, boom! But not too big of a boom. Just enough to take out a car or a few insurgents.


68 posted on 02/15/2008 9:53:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sam_paine
We don't have the mere basics to defend liberty. Like an instinct to rally to the defense of Waco, for example. It didn't matter what kind of nutso Koresh was. Real liberty lovers would've surrounded the place and freed the children first, opposed the 'lightly armed' government forces.

By storming the compound and taking the children out by force? Government negotiators repeatedly asked Koresh to send the children out, and he refused.

If the compound had been stormed by "patriots" instead of by government forces, I'm not sure the outcome would have been much different.

69 posted on 02/15/2008 9:56:49 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: hoagy62
What’s the general opinion? I mean, are these things good or bad?

They're good, on balance. You can do many of the same missions as manned aircraft for a lot less money, and with much less risk. And you can also do more dangerous missions, again because there is much less risk.

The missions can also be much longer, and more frequent, because no "fatigue" factor -- with the UAVs you can just turn the stick over to the next shift.

There are downsides, of course -- the biggest being the need to maintain comm with the vehicle; and the rather natural temptation avoid risk by assigning UAVs to missions that (for now) are better suited to manned aircraft.

70 posted on 02/15/2008 9:58:29 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Travis McGee

Dunno........ IMO , Honestly........ the professional Navy & Air Force fixed wing fighter pilots are above such real rivalry as the UAV’s save lives of our combat troops and life is precious to them as well......

I can’t see it . But it may be present , just in the O club maybe and all friendly ribbin I’d think.


71 posted on 02/15/2008 10:00:51 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: ReignOfError

There has also never been a nation armed to the teeth with literally uncounted millions of scoped deer rifles capable of “minute of man” at 500+ yards. Never.

In some ways it’s easier to occupy Iraq, than it would be for our military to enforce a tyranny here in the USA.

In Iraq, our forces live in protected firebases. THeir families are thousands of miles away, safe at home in America.

If the military tried to stamp out a hypothetical insurgency here in the USA, it would get very messy. THose troops have homes and dependents mingled among the population they would be trying to suppress. THey can’t live buttoned up inside of tanks and APCs.

It would get old, living “on base” 24.7, afraid to go to the shopping mall, or the civilian golf course etc. It would be a long walk in the open across the parking lot at Walmart for the off-duty State Security goon.

I sincerely hope we never have the opportunity to test either sides of that equation.


72 posted on 02/15/2008 10:00:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Not many Asian countries have nearly as widespread car ownership and gun ownership.
73 posted on 02/15/2008 10:01:44 AM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: Squantos

Plus, nobody can naysay their great results. They are a winner for our “team.”


74 posted on 02/15/2008 10:02:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ReignOfError
Government negotiators repeatedly asked Koresh to send the children out, and he refused.

That's the attitude I'm talking about.

"The Government" did so and so, so I have no responsibility.

If the children died, frankly, if anyone living in peace on their own land died, then -WE- did something wrong.

The attitude has become "The Government" is not synonymous "The People."

That means we have no responsibility for what the government does, and thus, no control over it either.

75 posted on 02/15/2008 10:02:34 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Grampa Dave
How long before the Rat scum bags in congress, who love the Islamofascist Serial Killers will demand we stop using this weapon?

Congress won't have to.

Jan 20, 2009 President B. Hussein Obama will order all U.S. Forces to stand down, return home, and deactivate.

76 posted on 02/15/2008 10:03:53 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: allmendream

What is the greater number, half of the USA’s population, or a quarter of China’s?

Anyway, that’s besides the point. Even a country like Korea can now field many times the number of techno-wiz’s that they would ever need. Our monopoly on techno-wiz production is over, is what I’m saying.


77 posted on 02/15/2008 10:04:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Here’s a giggle for ya I have to run.......gotta go to a funeral !

Later !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSPQKwEJcn4


78 posted on 02/15/2008 10:05:36 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Oh geeez, that is TOO funny! “Don’t mess with Big Grandma!”


79 posted on 02/15/2008 10:17:41 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: ReignOfError
If the compound had been stormed by "patriots" instead of by government forces, I'm not sure the outcome would have been much different.

Actually...no need to storm anything.

If 500 'patriots' had just shown up and taken up camp between the jackboots and the nuts, then what would've been the harm of the police standing down and handing "the seige" over to the local sherriff?

They could've arrested Koresh at a press conference or a book tour.

Tell me. What would've been a better outcome for the confidence in our civil liberty?

A* To have had the Government 'lose face' and back down having lost some of their own in the line of fire during the ill-conceived initial attack/assault on the compound...and to have peacefully arrested Koresh later on for an orderly trial and death penalty a la McVeigh...

-or-

B* To show for once and for all that no amount of force and pre-trial violence will be spared if you dare oppose the iron fist of "The Government," essentially mooting the real utility of the 2nd amendment forever.

Really. Which do you think would be better for the health of the Republic, not to mention the health of the children?

The latter shows that the POLICE are the Law. The former shows that THE PEOPLE are the Law.

80 posted on 02/15/2008 10:17:54 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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