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To: Travis McGee
For example, if and when “unauthorized meetings of groups of ten or more unrelated persons” would be forbidden, these killer drones would be just the ticket to keep an iron fist hovering above any potential meetings of patriots.

Again, if it gets to that in America, then it's already too late, no matter what the weapons of the military.

Wouldn't you agree that of any group, Freepers would comprise a larger percentage of such 'patriots' than the general population?

And just how many of those patriots would find each other if the government simply shut down the internet for a month? Zilch. Maybe one gun group in Houston, that's it.

As advanced as Americans THINK they are with respect to defenders of liberty, etc...we've got NOTHING on the word-of-mouth cohesion of 'primitives' in Sudan, etc.

We don't have the mere basics to defend liberty. Like an instinct to rally to the defense of Waco, for example. It didn't matter what kind of nutso Koresh was. Real liberty lovers would've surrounded the place and freed the children first, opposed the 'lightly armed' government forces.

Sorry. But with this standing Army, THEY are either with us opposing the government with the government bought weapons, or we are their subjects. Period.

31 posted on 02/15/2008 7:21:12 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
"Like an instinct to rally to the defense of Waco, for example. It didn't matter what kind of nutso Koresh was. Real liberty lovers would've surrounded the place and freed the children first, opposed the 'lightly armed' government forces.

THAT's the really scary part, because people did rally;

They/we rallied 'round TV sets to watch US troops annihilate a dissident sect.

Couldn't keep our eyes off of it.

In Texas of all places!

Resistance may not be futile, but it's not real likely either.

50 posted on 02/15/2008 9:30:22 AM PST by norton ( There is no longer any choice)
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Very thoughtful answer. In a nutshell you are summing up many of the dynamics at play in the new novel I’m currently writing.


55 posted on 02/15/2008 9:36:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sam_paine
We don't have the mere basics to defend liberty. Like an instinct to rally to the defense of Waco, for example. It didn't matter what kind of nutso Koresh was. Real liberty lovers would've surrounded the place and freed the children first, opposed the 'lightly armed' government forces.

By storming the compound and taking the children out by force? Government negotiators repeatedly asked Koresh to send the children out, and he refused.

If the compound had been stormed by "patriots" instead of by government forces, I'm not sure the outcome would have been much different.

69 posted on 02/15/2008 9:56:49 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: sam_paine
Like an instinct to rally to the defense of Waco, for example. It didn't matter what kind of nutso Koresh was. Real liberty lovers would've surrounded the place and freed the children first, opposed the 'lightly armed' government forces.

No. The government forces were drawn from BATF and FBI offices all over the country as noted by the BATF initial raid casualties from the Little Rock and New Orleans offices. A real resistance force would not NOT NOT have assembled in a large and identifiable group in Texas that required logistical and infrastructure support, but would have done their work at the home offices and residences in the locales from which the attacking personnel at Waco had come.

Similarly: the body-armor clad reflagged Border Patrol agents who pul;led off the Elien Gonzales raid had no particular fear of demonstrators or reporters, who they simply peppersprayed and beat, nor of discretely carried handguns. But had dozens or hundreds of Miami's Cubanos on the scene hauled out rifles both capable of chewing right through vehicles and soft body armor, and also hitting targets from two or three blocks away, that would have changed the situation more than just a little.


113 posted on 02/18/2008 8:57:57 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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