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Too tough on illegal immigration (LA TIMES)
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 21, 2008 | Los Angeles Times Editorial Board

Posted on 02/21/2008 2:31:31 PM PST by Checkers

It's getting ugly out there for illegal immigrants. States and cities are cracking down with harsh new ordinances, and the courts are upholding them. Not only are deportations at record highs, but immigrants are being detained at places previously understood to be off-limits, such as schools. The debate about illegal immigration, labor, social justice and international trade has devolved into open season on illegal immigrants.

Arizona penalizes employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, suspending their business license for 10 days for the first offense, revoking it permanently for the second. Valley Park in Missouri fines businesses that hire illegal immigrants. Oklahoma not only forbids their hiring and bars them from receiving tax-supported services -- except healthcare -- it also makes it a felony for anyone to transport, shelter or conceal illegal immigrants.

It's nothing new for states and municipalities to try to regulate immigration. California pioneered that trail in 1994 with the passage of Proposition 187, which sought to discourage illegal immigration by denying noncitizens a range of public services. Last year, Hazleton, Pa., caught the nation's attention when it tried to criminalize landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and deny business permits to companies that hire them. Until recently, however, the courts stood as a bulwark against this spate of angry -- and often unconstitutional -- ordinances, ruling that immigration is federal territory.

Not anymore. In Arizona, Missouri and Oklahoma, business groups or immigration advocates sued to block the new laws, and in each case federal judges upheld them. The Oklahoma ruling is particularly pernicious. With the spirit of Dred Scott hovering over his pen, Judge James H. Payne wrote that illegal immigrants do not have the right to sue: "An illegal alien, in willful violation of federal immigration law, is without standing to challenge the constitutionality of a

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; deport; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; latimes
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Read the whole thing.

I don't see the problem.

1 posted on 02/21/2008 2:31:32 PM PST by Checkers
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To: Checkers

I’m not going to get into specifics, but that piece has me rolling with laughter. Anyone who reads it will know what I’m talking about.


2 posted on 02/21/2008 2:33:35 PM PST by squidly
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To: Checkers

I would agree to keep 1000 illegals here if we could deport everyone associated with the LA TIMES. That would be a good deal.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 2:34:37 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Checkers

It’s illegal to impersonate an illegal alien.


4 posted on 02/21/2008 2:34:56 PM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: squidly

I often had that reaction to LA Times editorials when I lived in LA.


5 posted on 02/21/2008 2:34:57 PM PST by Checkers (McCain: "Hillary Clinton would make a good President.")
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To: Checkers

The rule of law is such a bummer, man... </s>


6 posted on 02/21/2008 2:35:03 PM PST by oblomov
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To: Checkers

Many immigrant families are blended, made up of legal immigrants, illegal ones and U.S.-

Well, UNBLEND them and get illegals out of here!


7 posted on 02/21/2008 2:35:07 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: doug from upland

YEP


8 posted on 02/21/2008 2:35:46 PM PST by Checkers (McCain: "Hillary Clinton would make a good President.")
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To: Checkers

What do they mean “Not going anywhere”????

They’re going back to Mexico where they belong.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 2:36:49 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Checkers

The L.A. Times has been carrying the illegals luggage for a long time now. They go into “poor illegal mode” in all their editorials on the subject.


10 posted on 02/21/2008 2:38:14 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Checkers

Deportation to those who sneaked in (first offense). “General Population” for second offense and those who smuggle, harbor and hire them.


11 posted on 02/21/2008 2:39:17 PM PST by VR-21
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To: Checkers

Sentence one - “illegal immigrants” morphs into sentence three - “immigrants”

Paragraph three, sentences one and four- “immigration” mixes in with other sentences with the all-important “illegal”.

Does the LA Times have doors and locks on their property? Do they like customers to pay up? Then why don’t they understand “illegal”?


12 posted on 02/21/2008 2:42:08 PM PST by Tymesup
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I don't see the problem.

That's because you're not a hate-America-at-all-costs loony leftist like the author of that tripe.

13 posted on 02/21/2008 2:42:10 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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Wait'll you see tomorrow's Los Angeles Times editorial:

"It's getting ugly out there for burglars. More and more homeowners are installing security devices. Fences and walls are rising where once there was open access to homeowners' lawns. States and localities are passing tough, some would say harsh, new laws to punish burglars even more. Shockingly, a new form of vigilante violence is arising as more and more homeowners are arming themselves. These are the new realities many burglars face when seeking a fairer distribution of wealth in our tragically stratified society......"

14 posted on 02/21/2008 2:42:36 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

You have nailed the L.A. Times as they continue to have layoffs and loose circulation.


15 posted on 02/21/2008 2:44:25 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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That illegal immigrants living in the United States place an economic burden on schools, hospitals, prisons and other public services is undeniable, but it's also true that they contribute to our economy and our society in myriad ways.

Bull. Illegals may pay in about $440 million in various taxes, but they suck out over $11 BILLION a year from federal coffers, not counting the cost of identity theft and other crimes they commit.

Bullying them into leaving is counterproductive and downright mean.

Yeah, and I'm sure the moron who wrote this drek thinks it's "counterproductive" and "mean" to go after robbers, rapists and murderers, too.

16 posted on 02/21/2008 2:46:03 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Checkers
California pioneered that trail in 1994 with the passage of Proposition 187, which sought to discourage illegal immigration by denying noncitizens a range of public services.

Caught the first lie. Legal aliens may be noncitizens, but other than the right to vote, they have access to the same benefits as citizens.

17 posted on 02/21/2008 2:50:17 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: puroresu

LOL! Your modifications were just what I was thinking.

Liberals are so cute when they are whining and frothing (their usual state).

‘angry...ordinances’ Too funny!

‘satisfy the popular hunger for instantaneous immigration reform’. Please stop, you’re killing me!


18 posted on 02/21/2008 2:57:30 PM PST by a_different_conservative
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ping


19 posted on 02/21/2008 2:58:50 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Checkers
Judge James H. Payne wrote that illegal immigrants do not have the right to sue: "An illegal alien, in willful violation of federal immigration law, is without standing to challenge the constitutionality of a state law, when compliance with federal law would absolve the illegal alien's constitutional dilemma.

Judge Payne's logic is so full of common sense that he should be on the short list for the next SCOTUS vacancy. Abe Lincoln used to tell the story of a kid who murdered his parents in the home by setting it on fire and then threw himself at the mercy of the court because he was a homeless orphan.

20 posted on 02/21/2008 2:59:34 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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