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I'll start by doing as you asked and looking at the last four paragraphs in my original post (this is what you meant?).

"So why are you working so hard, so viscerlly, so nasty, to turn votes against McCain?"

I believe I have read most articles posted about McCain. There are some, like you, who post thought out reasonable responses. The there are those who post comments that I believe can be described as that above. I wasn't posting that comment to you but to those who it applied to. If you don't feel it describes you, than it probably doesn't.

The extension to that was people who posted to me saying the pro-vote-McCain crowd was just as nasty. I agree, some were. But I wasn't addressing them at the time. I never said the pro-vote-McCain were angels nor did I deny that there were nasty comments coming from them.

"If you truly feel as you do than go sit out November or cast your vote for your 3rd party candidate. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why you push for a McCain and GOP loss. It may be as simple as "misery loves company". It may be that you validate your own position by getting others to believe as you do. It may be that there are some dem propaganda plants on FR. I don't know but I sure would like to and I know others do as well."

I stand by this comment, at the time I did not understand the rationale coming from that group. Now I think I have a better grasp on it. I don't feel any better about it but at least I can put it into a framework.

Regarding the "plant" comment, I think it is possible there are people here pushing an anti-GOP agenda (nothing illegal about that but one does have toput those comments into context), but at this point I would expand that to 3rd Party crowd. I don't think it has anything to do with reg dates, some of these people could have been for a long time.

Once again, nothing illegal or immoral about that but pushing an agenda is different than honestly debating an issue, particularly when one talks about principles.

If you truly feel as you do than go sit out November or cast your vote for your 3rd party candidate. That makes sense. I will be writing in.

What doesn't make sense is why you push for a McCain and GOP loss. It doesn't make sense to you that I would fight againt a feau-Conservative becoming a Republican President if I thought it would hurt the special interest group that most had the best interests of this nation at heart? Really?

It may be as simple as "misery loves company". I'm not miserable Bob. How then could I be seeking others to be miserable with me? I am in fear of watching conservatism utterly destroyed by John McCain, with the help of the democrat politicians, the DNC, the repubublican politicians, the RNC and the nation's MSM.

Tell me what public group will advocate for us during a McCain presidency. I can tell you five entities that will speak out against us constatantly. Guys like Bill Krystol will be thrilled to death, to join them.

The moment John McCain becomes president, connservatism becomes a dirty four letter word. It's members will have to shut their mouths for four years or take a body blow from the five groups I have mentioned, with just about every well respected Repbulican of merit, joining them. You'll see that played out here on their forum too, if the last eight years are any indication. That is not a slap at Jim either. It is expressing my view of some forum participants who have defeneded the indefensible for eight years.

It may be that you validate your own position by getting others to believe as you do. It's nice to know others agree with me, but I have voiced my opinion here when nobody else did. My opinion is just that. I don't put my finger up in the wind to see if I should make certain comments. I look at the subject and express my views on that subject. Why would I not think it an insult to have someone lower the bar this low on the validity of my thoughts?

It may be that there are some dem propaganda plants on FR. Perhaps so, and as you alluded, I am not one of them.

I don't know but I sure would like to and I know others do as well. I have explained it in minute detail right on this thread. If folks take the time to read my comments on it, they will see why I think a John McCain term as president would be disasterous for conservatism.

As for the Republican Party, I have no allegiance to it. I was happy to support it when it was represented by good people. I do not think John McCain is a good person.

I asked you a question in #273 Bob. I'd like an answer to that question.

What could a candidate possibly do, that would disqualifiy them as a person you could vote for, just to keep Hillary or Obama out of office?

I'm not asking this question for my benefit Bob. I honestly don't have a vested interest in the answer for my edification. If you don't answer, I'm not going to be put off by it. It is a question that I want folks to ask themselves, if they think voting for John is a good idea, knowing what they know about him. If they do think he passes that sniff test, then what would it take? Is there anything at all that he could do to disqualify him in your eyes? I'll tell you what, don't bother to post. Just be honest with yourself and I'll be satisifed that you were.