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The Offshoring of America's Top Jobs
CAREERPLANNER.COM ^ | Michael T. Robinson

Posted on 02/23/2008 3:44:22 PM PST by Momaw Nadon

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To: CodeToad

“The unemployment rate is a political number subject to manipulation. Show me the number of people filing a 1040 each year and the amounts they earn’

The unemployment rate only reflects those who are actively looking and who have filed for unemployment. Those who give up looking or take a lower paying job are not included. A person who was making $80k forced to take a $50k job to pay their mortgage is not counted.


21 posted on 02/23/2008 4:22:54 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: informavoracious

“Let’s all become comedians or filmmakers! Yes, that’s the ticket to prosperity!”

Who is gonna buy the tickets if nobody else is working?


22 posted on 02/23/2008 4:23:40 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Momaw Nadon

I’m a writer (technical), but have seen how vulnerable my job is to fluctuations in the fortunes of high tech. Still, as long as English is such a bizarre language, a shotgun wedding of germanic skeleton and romance flesh, it will be hard to find non-native supplanters.


23 posted on 02/23/2008 4:24:08 PM PST by RJR_fan (Lovers and winners shape the future. Losers and whiners TRY TO PREDICT it.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

“I am 34 and am contemplating a career in IT.”

There are still options but pay is lower and consider any job you get to be temporary.

“Are there any opinions on which Information Technology sector or jobs are least likely to be outsourced?”

CIOs probably won’t be outsourced. Everything else in IT is fair game.


24 posted on 02/23/2008 4:24:48 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Momaw Nadon

Wages and other costs in India have gotten a little high.

A programmer who works for me, and makes $95K in the US, told me he could get $50K in India.

The cost of office space in India is actaully higher than many US locations. We’re paying $14 a square foot in Mumbai compared to $8 in Columbus, Ohio.

As the costs go up, people are less willing to tolerate the inefficiencies and communications overhead.

Of course, they might try to find a cheaper country, but it doesn’t seem likely for tech jobs. The Chinese are not as well-educated as they claim, and their English is non-existent.


25 posted on 02/23/2008 4:26:44 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Momaw Nadon
You might consider video game related jobs if you have the interest. It's a growing industry, now bigger in revenue than Hollywood movies. Because of the creative/artistic aspects it's one of the few computer related jobs that have not been taken over by Indian workers.

The best advice is do what you are good at and like. Don't chase a job just because it is high paying. It might not be high paying tomorrow.

26 posted on 02/23/2008 4:28:22 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Stay out of IT. I've been in the industry for about 18 years now, and it just keeps getting worse. Few jobs are stable, and the ones that are are with companies that are *not* stable.

I've been contemplating getting out of IT, but I can't think of a skill I can leverage for a decent living. :)

27 posted on 02/23/2008 4:29:40 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: proxy_user

” The employees who run the survey are highly trained and ask a tightly controlled set of non-leading questions.”

We are talking government employees here right? Chances are they do most of it via write-ins.

I cannot understand how people think outsourcing is good. The companies doing outsourcing don’t drop their prices. The people displaced generally earn significantly less during the transition and we are shipping BILLIONS of dollars over seas. On top of that we are training our competition. The biggest advantage we have is our knowledge, and we ship that overseas without a thought.


28 posted on 02/23/2008 4:31:24 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: ShadowAce

“I’ve been contemplating getting out of IT, but I can’t think of a skill I can leverage for a decent living. :)”

If you think of one please let me know. The medical field is one but since I can’t stand the sight of blood it probably wouldn’t work for me.


29 posted on 02/23/2008 4:33:22 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Momaw Nadon

No wonder they’re going elsewhere:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975070/posts


30 posted on 02/23/2008 4:33:41 PM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I had a customer tell me recently that their Accounting Dept was outsourced to a company in India? Also we deal with trucking companies and Penske is located in India. They call and have American names such as Carol Smith. It is really annoying.
31 posted on 02/23/2008 4:34:43 PM PST by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: angcat

‘They call and have American names such as Carol Smith. It is really annoying.”

I love the banking and credit card companies that do this. Its heart warming to know that all my credit info is freely available and there are no laws to protect it.


32 posted on 02/23/2008 4:35:46 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Momaw Nadon
Eventually all the jobs that can be offshored will be, and the economy of the United States will be so efficient that only the "right jobs" will remain, all the people who were disemployed will simply evaporate (Poof!) and the prosperous and capable denizens of the glittering, efficient Centers of Wealth and Prosperity will go about their business in a self satisfied way, content with their lives and government.

The other 280 million people, you know -- the ones who went Poof! -- will of course never vote again, never collect a dime of welfare, and never complain or do anything to change their status. Like good little Proles, they will cluck to themselves "it is the way it must be" and of course, pull the Poof! switch on themselves and their families, never to be seen again.

Nice little fairy tale.

33 posted on 02/23/2008 4:36:13 PM PST by Regulator (And What Will America Look Like Under Chief Obama? Zimbabwe)
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To: Momaw Nadon

If you look at that list of jobs-at-risk, all IT/software dev jobs are at great risk or have gone offshore.

I work for a Fortune 500 company that does both hardware and software. They see their future customer base in China and India, so they’re setting up offices offshore that include sales, R&D, QA, tech writing, and graphic design depts. Not to mention the salaries are cheaper.

Many of the depts here have lost jobs, as they move existing positions offshore, too.

They are also acquiring small software companies, many of which already base their R&D offshore.

Project mgrs (with PMP certification) and higher-ups with MBAs have a better chance of surviving for a while longer. But even some MBA programs are requiring that US students reside in China or India for a time. Some companies (Cisco?) are moving US managers offshore.

My suggestion to you is look elsewhere, espcially if you are new to the field of IT.


34 posted on 02/23/2008 4:37:13 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: angcat
I guess I'm safe although safe is a relative term. I build and design fishing rods.

I get copied all the time.

I used to get two years from my new designs. Now I get 6 months.

The only way I stay viable is by having so many models no one in their right mind would dare copy them all.

35 posted on 02/23/2008 4:38:28 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Telephone Operator is a moderate risk? I thought those went out with the 70’s.


36 posted on 02/23/2008 4:39:07 PM PST by OCC
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To: driftdiver
Its only a matter of time. As more of the work is being done offshore the project management will naturally follow. Its already happening in the banking industry.

They try. We have Indians working on our current project (a political decision made by someone much higher than me.) They tried to sell themselves to high level management as project management and scheduling geniuses who could take over what I was doing and make it better. However, just because they passed the PMP doesn't mean they have the dynamics and the ability to deal with people to be great project managers.

37 posted on 02/23/2008 4:40:34 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: ShadowAce

I’m in the same boat, will be getting out of IT. Fortunately I’ve saved enough money. My next job will be investor. In hindsight I wish I’d spent my IT time on Wall Street.


38 posted on 02/23/2008 4:41:50 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

There is some good reasoning behind that list. Everthing is related to the need for proximity to the customer. I see a lot of blue collar schadenfreude over this trend. So much for the ‘service’ economy!


39 posted on 02/23/2008 4:42:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: driftdiver
Why does our government fund the movement of jobs offshore instead of building our economy?

The only thing the government can do to build our economy is cut taxes and get out of the way.

Offshoring avoids:

1. Over regulation.

2. Threat of litigation.

3. Union wage scales.

4. Onerous taxes.

40 posted on 02/23/2008 4:45:32 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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