Posted on 03/02/2008 2:18:35 PM PST by Doctor13
Once again the United States has sold out the good people and rewarded the bad. I am speaking of the recognition of Kosovo as an independent state by our government.
As a bit of background information, the Jewish Defense League was the only activist Jewish organization to support the Serbian people and their right to their ancestral homeland during the war that dissolved Yugoslavia during the 1990s. While we did not approve of alleged war crimes by some Serbians, we understood they felt they were entitled to settle the score with their Nazi-loving Croatian and Bosnian neighbors. . . . During World War II, Yugoslavia signed the Tripartite Pact with Nazi Germany and the other Axis Powers, an act that resulted in a coup d’etat. A new government was installed and promptly withdrew the country’s support for the Axis. This enraged Hitler so much that he sent his soldiers into Yugoslavia and took over the country in a matter of days. The Nazis dissolved the government and replaced it with a puppet state led by Milan Nedic. Under his leadership, several Nazi concentration camps were established, such as Banjica and Sajmiste.
Next door in Croatia, the Nazi-lovers there were massacring Serbs, Jews and Roma (formerly called Gypsies). In the 1970s, the Jewish Defense League discovered a Croatian Nazi war criminal, Andrija Artukovic, living the good life in the Surfside Colony near Long Beach, California, and was in large part responsible for the revocation of his American naturalization status. JDL Chairman Irv Rubin personally escorted the father of L.A. radio personality Bill Handel to the federal courthouse so that he could testify against Artukovic. Before intervention by my late husband, witnesses were being harassed by Artukovic supporters and family members. The case took several years to complete because of pressure by Croatians living in the United States and members of the Catholic Church. In his role as minister of the interior in the Nazi puppet state of Croatia, Artukovic supervised the genocide hundreds of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Roma. After he was stripped of his American citizenship, Artukovic was returned to Yugoslavia where he was sentenced to death for his war crimes. Because Artukovic was in ill-health, the court there said he was too infirm to be executed, and the Nazi murderer died in a prison hospital. Croatians were infamous for their worship of the Nazis and their brutality to their fellow man, like hang their neighbors on meathooks in kosher butcher shops.
And as far as Bosnians are concerned, they are mostly Muslims. During World War II, a proud fighting unit was the 20,000 member Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen-SS Division Hanzar. Hanzar means “to slit the throat” in Arabic, and that’s what these animals did to 300,000 Serbs and 60,000 Bosnian Jews. They also killed thousands of Americans in Italy, where they fought against the 5th U.S. Army division for six months. None of those animals faced war crimes tribunals for their actions. By the way, their spiritual leader was Hitler’s bootlicker, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, better known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Back to Kosovo. Kosovo is made up of 92% ethnic Albanians, whose religion is predominantly Islam. There are over two million people living in Kosovo, but no Jews live there. They used to. Sixty or so years ago, their neighbors made sure they wouldn’t return. And what happened to all the Serbians who used to live there? According to history professor Carl Savich, ethnic cleansing has been perpetrated on the Serbian people throughout the history of the region, first by the Ottoman Turks, then the Albanians, the Nazis, the Communists, and now by the Western nations that have accepted the Kosovans claim that the land is theirs. In reality, taking Kosovo away from the Serbs is the Albanian dream of linking Albania with Kosovo (are Bosnia and Herzegovina next?) in order to create a Greater Albania.
And what about the Serbs? The Serbs share a tragic past with the Jewish people. They have lived in peace and friendship with the Jews. They have died alongside us. What is wrong with the world? Despite historical proof, the world puts the screws to the Serbs just as it does to us. It’s a crying shame.
I'll be sure to give their opinion all the weight it deserves.
The U.S. was really foolish in swiftly recognizing Kosovo.
What is an "alleged war crime?"
If you’d prefer to get your news from the KLA side of things, you may want to visit some of those Soros-funded websites. They’ll report things more to your liking, I think.
Along with chunks of Montenegro and Greece.
If McCain wins in November, you can be sure that young Americans will be dying to expand Islam in the Balkans in a war against of all countries, Greece. That, sadly, is how far we have sunk into dhimmitude in this country. Will the American people rise up on account of that? I doubt it. Will Russia sit by and do nothing? Absolutely not.
Plenty of suppositious material in it: that Croatians "worship" Nazis, that the JDL was somehow instrumental in the identification and deportation of the murderer Artukovic when it wasn't, that "Hanzar" means "to slit the throat" when it is actually Serbo-Croatian for "scimitar", that Kosovo was ever pure Serbian territory, that Nedic did not have popular backing from many Serbs, etc.
Instead of trying to slime the article by a cheap "Guilt by Assoication" ploy, why don't you try dealing with the issues being presented by the article?
It's not a ploy - the JDL really are a terrorist group - they're not just vaguely associated with terrorism in some tangential way.
The entire article is an exercise is guilt by association, namely the notion that anyone who disagrees with Serbia ultranationalism on the question is somehow a supporter of Nazism or an opponent of Israel.
Moreover, the tone of the article is morally bankrupt - that the activities of Serb war criminals like Ratko Mladic are excusable because he was settling "scores" by killing civilians whose families may have been at one time implicated in the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia. Beneath contempt, but entirely in keeping with the moral worldview of a terrorist group.
I would point out that if someone associated with the Aryan Nations published a pro-Kosovo article, plenty of FReepers would be happy to point out that the author was associated with a terrorist group.
See, now you are posting conclusions based on facts.
Didn’t that feel better?
Cute - an attempt to accuse an opponent of Serb nationalist anti-Americanism of being sympathetic with another anti-American group.
My political position is that I am on America's side, hence my distaste for both Sorosism and Milosevicism.
“Alleged” usually means accused but not proven. Glad to help.
In the context of this article, “alleged war crime” means “a war crime we would like to pretend may not have happened, because if we admit it really happened, it would weaken our propaganda.”
Then perhaps you should wake up to the fact that the pro-Serb posters on this forum are overwhelmingly pro-Christian and anti-Communist. Milosevic may have been a socialist primarily concerned with preserving the status quo for his own party, but he was correct in assessing the threat posed by the Jihadists.
Supporting Kosovo is supporting Jihad.
There is no such language as Serbo-Croatian. Hanjar is the Turkish-style sword similar to the scimitar. Nedic did not enjoy popular backing. Serbia was the only occupied territory in the Balkans governed directly by the Germans — I wonder why. Could it be because the Serbs were anti-Nazi and no puppet-regime could survive one month on its own? Serbs are not Croats. Serbs were America’s ally, unlike Croats who murdered 750,000 Serbs and Jews and fought the Allies on quite a few fronts.
They are apparently only for Christians who are also for Serb nationalism since Croatian Catholics are the devil incarnate as far as many of them are concerned.
And they are apparently only against Communists who are against Serb nationalism. Like your fellow cheerleader of Serbian ultranationalism, kronos77, who on another thread said that it would be a good idea for Putin's neo-Soviet government to reinstitute the gulags to deal with dissident journalists.
Milosevic may have been a socialist primarily concerned with preserving the status quo for his own party, but he was correct in assessing the threat posed by the Jihadists.
Oh, of course he was. That's why the Serbian government signed a security pact with Hezbollah's paymasters - because they are so concerned about jihad.
Supporting Kosovo is supporting Jihad.
Really? So to oppose jihad you have to support the side that's in cahoots with the Islamofascist government of Iran? I'm going to take a pass on that analysis.
The US has signed treaties with North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia ad nauseum...all terror states...and worse than Iran because they do their evil deeds with the blessings of the West.
Suffice it to say it is a disgusting complex post modern world out there—and making judgments that are smplistic at best and moronic at best seem to fit into your posting profile.
Of course there is.
Hanjar is the Turkish-style sword similar to the scimitar.
As I said. I.e. "hanjar/hanzar" is not a verb meaning to "slit the throat" but a noun meaning "sword."
Nedic did not enjoy popular backing. Serbia was the only occupied territory in the Balkans governed directly by the Germans — I wonder why.
If it was governed directly by the Germans, why did Nedic exist? Poland was governed directly by the Nazis, not through a Polish leader willing to cooperate. Part of Serbia, like part of France, was directly governed by the Nazis while Nedic's Serbia like Petain's France, was not governed directly by the Nazis.
Could it be because the Serbs were anti-Nazi and no puppet-regime could survive one month on its own?
Nedic governed Serbia for just over three years, not one month.
Serbs are not Croats.
I did not say they were.
Serbs were America’s ally
In point of fact, Nedic's Serbian followers were Hitler's ally, not America's - and the anti-Nedic Serbs, who eventually coalesced into the most important stabilizing element of Tito's postwar Communist regime, were largely pro-Soviet - they were allies of America only insofar as the Soviets were allied with America.
And, being pro-Soviet, Serb socialists and Communists were actually Hitler's allies until the Kremlin's repudiation of the Molotov-von Ribbentrop pact.
To find Russia accidentally on the moral high ground and president Bush manipulated by his Arabist State Depaartmment and Secretary of State into furthering the expansion of radical Islam.
Too bad president Bush didn't pick up a newspaper or the National Review once or twice in the past seven years. He might have known the price of gasoline and been able to figure out that he has been bombing the wrong people in Serbia.
He should have taken his own advice in his September 20, 2001 speech when he warned of muslim expansion: "They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa." Looks like it worked pretty well for them in Kosovo.
“While we did not approve of alleged war crimes by some Serbians,”
ahhh...no need to read further - there is the bias.
All of these groups are guilty of genocide.
Sure...among each group there certainly exist peace loving people who wish the fighting would end.
But all 3 groups have their violent militants that are settling old scores.
Is there such a thing as “good” and “bad” in this region?
The US has not signed a security cooperation pact with either North Korea or China, which are sponsors of terrorism.
There is a difference between trade negotiations and a security pact.
And Saudi Arabia is not a "terror state" - it is actually a victim of terrorism and its government has cooperated extensively with the US in hunting terrorists.
and worse than Iran because they do their evil deeds with the blessings of the West
Oh, please. Iran sponsors Hezbollah - the largest terrorist proxy army in the world.
And if you seriously think that Kim Jong-Il's actions carry America's blessing, it is clear that you are not actually reflecting on what you are saying at this point but are just making up random accusations as you go along.
Suffice it to say it is a disgusting complex post modern world out there—and making judgments that are smplistic at best and moronic at best seem to fit into your posting profile.
The boosters of Serb ultranationalism invariably like to make things personal when they have run out of arguments.
The most simplistic argument of all is this: "Because most Albanians in Kosovo are nominally Muslim, they are all Islamofascists."
In reality, Serbia is the nation in this dispute that has publicly aligned itself with Islamofascism, while the Albanians of Kosovo are seeking to align with NATO and the EU, not Hezbollah.
That is the more complex reality which belies the simplistic analysis of Albanian = Muslim = Al-Qaeda operative.
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