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Six killed, including children, in Memphis shooting (Three others wounded).
CNN.com ^ | 3/3/08 | cnn

Posted on 03/03/2008 9:50:13 PM PST by dragnet2

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To: heckler

Well, they didn’t know the motive last night, and they didn’t know the actual cause of death. All could have been strangled or poisoned then shot. Ya never know...They need a chance to check everything out, do autopsies etc before making absolute statements.


41 posted on 03/04/2008 8:43:17 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I especially like their so called interviews. They will interview 50 to get one that shows the representatives of the point of view that they don’t like (for example gun owners) as complete morons


42 posted on 03/04/2008 9:01:52 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

Yes, they cherry pick the interviews to be used. Absolutely.


43 posted on 03/04/2008 9:12:59 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

It is my understanding that these incidents were reported much more locally in the past (distant past) as compared to within the past 20 years. Now they make the national news with much greater frequency. That doesn’t mean that there’s no increase in the number of these incidents. However, the increase in number is possibly also a function of the increase in population of the U.S. over the past 30 some years.


44 posted on 03/04/2008 9:17:43 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad
These types of incidents are clearly occurring at increasing frequency.

Or, just being reported with greater regularity.

Then you must be suggesting mass murder events were not reported about in the past. If in fact you're suggesting this, I would be confident in saying that is not the case.

It is my understanding that these incidents were reported much more locally in the past (distant past) as compared to within the past 20 years.

Care to offer an example of a mass murder event that occurred in the U.S. in the past 50 years that was only reported about locally?

Please provide details.

45 posted on 03/04/2008 9:23:15 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: Riverman94610
Wrong.

"Previous research has found that despite being aware of negative stereotypes about their group and experiencing prejudice and discrimination, Blacks tend to report higher levels of self-esteem than Whites."

Virgil Zeigler-Hill
University of Southern Mississippi

46 posted on 03/04/2008 9:23:48 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer (Liberalism is Fascism)
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To: Riverman94610

It’s called the depravity of man and the pulling back of the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit and the common grace of God.


47 posted on 03/04/2008 9:25:19 AM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: dragnet2

Is there a need to have an argument about this? I have not done any research at the present time, and doing so at the moment is outside the scope of the amount of time I presently have. I’m sure, if given time to do such research I could find examples of cases which did not get much national press (in comparison with what they get today). But, tell me, what’s the point? You just looking for someone to have an argument with?


48 posted on 03/04/2008 9:29:41 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: freebird5850
I used to work in Whitehaven, just off Elvis Presley Blvd. The name surely doesn’t fit now. Very dangerous from there all the way to the river.

I used to live in Whitehaven...many years ago. Not a good place now. The danger zone has expanded to Hickory Hill now, so from the river going east all the way to Riverdale it's pretty bad.

49 posted on 03/04/2008 9:51:48 AM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: SoldierDad

My only point was there was not a mass murder event that occurred in the U.S. in the past 50 years that was only reported about locally.


50 posted on 03/04/2008 10:40:53 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

Well,the esteemed academic Ms Hill needs to come down to the ghetto in my town and observe how cruel,degrading and hateful so many blacks are to each other.I can’t repeat what they actually SAY without being censored but it has a lot to do with the darkness of one’s complexion,sexual relations with family members and constant threats to “put a cap in your black ass”.
If thats high self esteem,we are in real trouble.


51 posted on 03/04/2008 11:33:38 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: streetpreacher

Yep,you nailed it preacher.
A sickness of the soul due to straying away from God’s love and Grace


52 posted on 03/04/2008 11:35:18 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: dragnet2

But, there have been cases in the past 50 years that did not get the level of coverage that these cases get today.


53 posted on 03/04/2008 11:41:24 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: SoldierDad
But, there have been cases in the past 50 years that did not get the level of coverage that these cases get today.

It is my understanding that these incidents were reported much more locally in the past

But you stated locally, and did not refer to the level of coverage.

Of course the level of news coverage has expanded in recent decades. Everyone knows this, and this is not news.

The fact of the matter is, mass murders that have occured in the U.S. in the past 50 years or so, always get national coverage. Mass murders are not just local, hometown news events.

54 posted on 03/04/2008 11:58:49 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: Riverman94610
Despite common beliefs, study shows young blacks have higher self-esteem

By DAVID WILLIAMSON UNC News Services

CHAPEL HILL -- Some early research on self-esteem, which involved having children pick from differently colored dolls the one they preferred to play with, suggested that black children in the United States had lower self-esteem as a group than white children.

A new University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill investigation, however, strongly suggests that the reverse may be true.

UNC-CH psychologists analyzed 261 studies in which self-esteem in both white and black children was assessed. The studies involved more than a half-million participants.

"Our analyses revealed slightly higher scores for combined black children, adolescents and young adults than for their white counterparts," said Dr. Bernadette Gray-Little, professor of psychology. "The analyses further revealed that such characteristics as age and socioeconomic status influenced the size and direction of racial differences in self-esteem."

The complete report by Gray-Little and UNC-CH psychology doctoral student Adam R. Hafdahl has just been published in the January issue of Psychological Bulletin, a professional journal.

Differences in self-esteem were small, but statistically significant considering the large number of studies included, she said. The youngest black children -- those under age 10 -- tended to have slightly lower scores than the youngest white children, but this difference disappeared as the children passed age 10. Then blacks thought somewhat better about themselves than whites did. The self-esteem advantage for black adolescents was more pronounced in studies with more girls than boys.

"Provided that self-esteem scores for both black and white young people are equally variable with normal, or bell-shaped, distributions, our results suggest that the average black young person’s self-esteem is higher than that of about 56 percent of white young people," she said. "Put another way, the average black young person’s self-esteem falls at about the 56th percentile of self-esteem for white children and adolescents.

"The 50th percentile would correspond to no difference between the groups. Although this difference may not be large in any absolute sense, we are confident that it reflects a true difference that is consistent across a wide variety of studies."

Perhaps ironically, Gray-Little said, wealthier black children do not have the same self-esteem advantage as their less-wealthy peers. That might be because they often find themselves in school or other settings where they are relatively few in number compared to wealthier whites. Other studies have shown that both black and white children who constitute a very small minority in a school setting can suffer lower self-esteem than if they feel like they are part of a group.

Young blacks might experience slightly higher self-esteem overall because they often have a strong ethnic identity, while many young whites do not, she said.

The psychologists became interested in the topic because much research already has been done on racial differences in self-esteem. Many people assumed that blacks would have lower self-esteem because they belonged to a disadvantaged minority, and some research supported that view, while other work did not.

"We wanted to look at a large number of studies conducted over a long period to see if by putting them all together we would be able to detect consistent patterns," she said.

The researchers collected all the relevant studies they could, including unpublished doctoral dissertations from across the United States, to carry out their analyses. The better the test used to measure self-esteem in the various studies, the more likely they were to find higher self-esteem overall among blacks, Gray-Little said.

"Many of our findings -- for example, that the self-esteem advantage for black participants increased with age and was related to the sex composition of the sample -- underscore the need for long-term studies of self-esteem development in males and females of both racial groups," she said.

Self-esteem is the great red herring. The problem has to do with culture, parenting and socialization.

55 posted on 03/04/2008 12:07:08 PM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer (Liberalism is Fascism)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

Another case where the Ivory Tower conflicts with what I see in the real world.
If blacks had such high esteem,they would not have all the self hate and hate toward those with dark complexions.


56 posted on 03/04/2008 12:09:24 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: dragnet2

Actually, no. Not if you look at the number of murders that take place compared to the total population.

I did a quick comparison using Excel and data I gleaned from the United States crime rates from 1960 to 2006. I would have liked to be able to go further back, but this is the best I could come up w/ short notice.

I took the number representing the # of murders in one year / total population for that year.

The year with the highest umber of murders as a % of the total population was 1980 coming in at 0.010224%

The year with the least amount was 1963 with 0.004584%

The last 10 years are as follows:

1997 - 0.006803%
1998 - 0.006258%
1999 - 0.005692%
2000 - 0.005538%
2001 - 0.005621%
2002 - 0.005636%
2003 - 0.005686%
2004 - 0.005499%
2005 - 0.005646%
2006 - 0.005689%

These percentages are much lower than 1970”s & 80”s

Not to be a pain in the butt, but 24 hour news has brought events that we would not have heard about 20 years ago on a 1 hour news program into our homes. Things aren’t getting worse, there’s just more airtime to fill.


57 posted on 03/04/2008 12:42:33 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Eighth Square

>>This country is dying.<<

I wonder if a foreclosure is involved.

I expect to see a lot more of this over the next five years.


58 posted on 03/04/2008 12:44:14 PM PST by RobRoy (.)
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To: Riverman94610
Back in the 1960’s our society started excusing things that were not previously tolerated and allowing a libertine style of morality. We started to become less accountable and less responsible. We became disrespectful of authority. We adopted anti-heroes. Our new laxness crept in to every thread of our society. Today, we are witnessing the results of dropping our guard.

Those that have ran from Memphis are only delaying the inevitable. This doesn’t stop until this society recovers its moral discipline. By now we have destroyed our natural dialog by political correctness. I don’t see any turnaround until we ditch the diversity idea and adopt unity.

Mayor Herrington, where are you? Why do you hide?
There hasn’t been a peep out of City Hall.

I guess His honor hasn’t found a way to used this tragedy to divide the city once more. Where is our Moses to lead us out of this darkness?

59 posted on 03/04/2008 1:21:43 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: oyez

The sickness in this country is defintely not limited to the ghetto.The other day I was standing in line at the local Longs Megastore and listened to some of the filthiest language imaginable from a group of sluttily dressed white teenage girls.
I truly believe”thoughts are things”and that the dirt coming out of these children’s mouths indicates an unclean heart and a sick soul.


60 posted on 03/04/2008 1:26:41 PM PST by Riverman94610
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