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To: tgslTakoma
Yes, it does, which brings up the single greatest lie about Winter Soldier I - that its participants were brave dissidents speaking truth to power and risking everything for having done so. Nothing could be further from the truth. They risked nothing and several of them - one named Kerry, for example - built their lives around this central falsehood. It was no exercise in bravery but one of self-aggrandizement, personal advancement, and lurid melodrama.

We who were defamed by them then were deficient in that we said too little in our own defense. Never again.

3 posted on 03/03/2008 10:46:14 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
During Vietnam, our parents, brothers, sisters, families and friends did not have the internet available to debunk the lies, organize and oppose the liars and traitors. All they had to rely on for "fact-finding" was the MSM and the traitors working within.

This time it's different, and a whole lot of us are still holding a grudge from the last time they pulled this sh**.

For my older cousins who did not run away, who served, with honor, I echo your declaration. Never again.

10 posted on 03/03/2008 11:13:18 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: Billthedrill

I guess they forget that oiur enemy combatants do not wear standard army uniforms that would quickly identify themselves as such. That has been the whole frustration with this war on terror. The enemy has cloaked themselves in civilan clothing and among the civilian populace...and they often had insiders give them a cue as to when we planned to attack so that the enemy combatants left, but the civilians had no clue. They used this as media and psychological warfare against our troops.

The military has its share of leftist-leaning peaceniks and criminals who are in it for a job, and to be kept off the streets.


11 posted on 03/03/2008 11:18:04 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Billthedrill

This is what I posted on TIMES_ONLINE. I borrowed one or more of your excellent turns-of phrase. I hope that’s OK.


They’re daring to call this Winter Soldier II?

That’s simply amazing chutzpah. By calling it that, they’re admitting that this will be another “Winter Soldier” - another group of phony soldiers making up lurid melodramas in exchange for advancement in the next Democrat administration.

Exhibit One from the first Winter Solder is the infamous John Kerry. He ‘dipped’ into the Vietnam experience: gaming the system to acquire as many Purple Hearts as possible whilst avoiding any actual combat. He was a notorious coward and shyster and was cordially loathed by his fellow Swift Boat crewmen.

And when he returned to the States, he was the chief participant in the blizzard of lies that was Winter Soldier, painting lurid falsehoods about the supposed war-crimes committed by his fellow soldiers He built his entire career around this central falsehood.

Which fake war-hero/presidential candidate will we see spring fully-formed from Winter Soldier II?


24 posted on 03/04/2008 4:43:43 AM PST by agere_contra
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