Posted on 03/04/2008 6:11:01 PM PST by peggybac
These days it is hard to tell on FR. So many have turned very nasty of late.
We have to be careful... You wonder about the trash that we have here. 95% of the member are respecful, regardless of their views... Because they realize we - in this party -have no chance unless we - somehow - find common ground. But there are some a**es out there, probably on drugs or booze... Who knows, whose goal is simply to offend and aggravate people and I spot them a mile away... And I just wonder what could their agenda really be about. so let's be aware of them yes, even suspicious of them, but ignore them at the same time. Let's be grateful we don't know them! :)
It gives me the creeps to know I am even in a forum sharing something in common with them!... Yeaach... but,we are stuck here for now.
Don’t listen to my recommendation.
Just understand that neither Hillary or Obama can keep us safe from terrorism or ensure national security. Also that their socialism will forever change our Republic into an even worse and more pervasive nanny state than it already has been corrupted to.
No, McCain is far from the perfect candidate. No one ever is. However the stakes are far too high this time around to allow any Democrat, (short of Zell Miller), into the White House.
Just something to think about between now and November.
His son along with son’s “Boy Scout” friends tortured the dog before killing it.
This is documented and proven, as was dad’s intervention in the State Police’s investigation to have it sidetracked.
Mangy dogs can be treated and recover. Even so, sonny boy wasn’t a licensed veterinarian. Only licensed vets know how to humanely euthanize a sick dog without causing it pain.
Besides, for a preacher he shoyuld know that one of the Seven Deadly Sins is GLUTTONY, and the whole family looks like a squadron of zeppelins.
can you post the police report?
Do your own research. Police reports are generally not public records, anyway.
“Google” is your friend.
...Your response didn’t deal with a word of my post. Are you denying that Huckabee flip-flopped from the states’ rights to federal amendment position and attempted to mislead everyone over it?...
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I’m not entirely sure what you are referring to, but let me explain it this way. Huckabee supported and helped pass a life amendment in his state of Arkansas. Many states have passed abortion restrictions in recent years. If Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court, it would not end abortion alltogether, it would simply send the issue back to the states, so it’s a good thing to have a life amendment in each state.
http://www.aul.org/State_Sessions
What Huckabee wanted to do on the Federal level is to pass a Federal life amendment so that all states would treat abortion equally if Roe v. Wade was overturned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Amendment
So, NO I don’t think Huckabee tried to mislead anyone. I simply think you don’t understand the issue.
It's obvious that you don't. And yet you're on here telling others that Huckabee has done no wrong, and that anyone who believes otherwise is the ignoramus.
Sorry for the strong wording here, but: you're a sucker. Gullible folks like you are the reason good candidates are sunk by frauds like Huckabee.
Huckabee was completely for abortion being a states' rights issue alone until he entered the presidential race, then he lied and pretended he'd always been entirely in favor of the HLA as a way to take a cheap shot at Fred Thompson and National Right to Life for endorsing Thompson. He re-wrote his own personal history for political gain. That is the real Mike Huckabee.
And this doesn't even get into the private abortion fund Huckabee set up while he was governor.
Do you not understand the difference between governing as a Governor and governing as a President? When Huckabee was a governor, the state issue was at the forefront. As a President, the Federal issue would have been at the forefront.
Here is the Arkansas record on abortion. Seem pretty solid to me especially since all the gains in this area happened when dealing with a predominately Democratic majority.
As a STRONG pro-life supporter I don’t see any problems with Mike Huckabee’s record. He had the strongest position on life than any candidate running on either side.
How you can even suggest that he is not 100% pro-life (and a lifetimer in that and not just a recent convert) is beyond me.
Call me all the names you want to, but it doesn’t change the fact that Mike Huckabee is 100% pro-life.
Huckabee is not perfect and I don’t agree with him 100% on all issues, but I am 100% in agreement with him on the life issue...and if that bothers you, then so be it.
Your hatred for Huckabee seems to have blinded you to the “more” important issue of life...
Take care...
"... a real stretch of Constitutional application ... that the federal government should be making that decision as opposed to states making that decision.
So, I've never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment ..."
Is Huckabee pro-life? Of course. If you believe that that is my issue with him, then you fundamentally misunderstand what I've been saying.
You are TOTALLY cherry-picking his comments.
Let’s post it all:
http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/huckabee.php
John Hawkins: Switching gears again, do you think we should overturn Roe v. Wade?
Mike Huckabee: It would please me because I think Roe v. Wade is based on a real stretch of Constitutional application — that somehow there is a greater privacy issue in the abortion concern — than there is a human life issue — and that the federal government should be making that decision as opposed to states making that decision.
So, I’ve never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment, but secondly, to somehow believe that the taking of an innocent, unborn human life is about privacy and not about that unborn life is ludicrous.
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He is saying that before Roe v. Wade, it SHOULD have been a state issue, but due to judicial activism that decision was taken out of the states hands (absent the amendment process) and put into Federal hands, BUT now that it is in the Federal hands in the event that Roe v. Wade is overturned, it would once again revert to each individual state to decide on how the rules go from there.
He is saying it never should have gotten to the federal level at all but now that it is, it will take an amendment to rectify the situation. So contrary to what you are saying, Huckabee is saying that we should take it one step further and outlaw abortion at the Federal level. The difference in how that would be done as to how it is done now is that it would REQUIRE an amendment to the Constitution and that only takes place with great effort and by a concerted effort of the views of the voting people (through state legislation). His analogy to slavery (which many have misconstrued) makes a lot of sense to me. If abortion/slavery is immoral in one state, then how can it be moral in another state? Slavery was outlawed nationwide, just as abortion should be...and the reason we don’t have legal slavery today is due to the 13th Amendment.
This whole cherry-picking of your reminds me of this:
Mat 23:24 “You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Take care...
Huckabee clearly believes this is a state issue in the quote provided. If he thought it was now in the hands of the feds to resolve, why does he bring up the 10th and not 13th Amendment?
No, I am not trying to have it both ways. I just understand what Huckabee is saying because he has the same position that many (not all, mind you) evangelicals have on this issue.
He brings up the 10th Amendment because he is saying that the Supreme Court usurped that amendment by going around the voice of the people and using judicial activism to create abortion as a “right” and now that they have created it as a “right”, the only way to rectify that is with another amendment to cancel that out. Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned it will still go back to the states for them to decided how this “right” is used, so the only solution now is a another Amendment to the Constitution to take away the fake “right”.
I once heard Alan Keyes make quite an eloquent speech on this issue in person and I have heard other evangelicals speak in the same manner so maybe that is why I understand where Huckabee is coming from.
The bottom line is that Huckabee was the best person to put into office to fight against this fake “right”. As a matter of fact, Huckabee has stated that is the reason he got into politics. He felt he could fight against abortion more efficiently as a politician than he could as a minister. He understands that secularism is taking over with help from our laws (thanks in great part to folks like the ACLU) so he got into politics to try and counter that.
Abortion is my top political issue because I feel that a country that does not value life will not value the needs of those that live and I find that a sad statement for a country that calls itself “The Land of the Free”.
Take care...
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