I respectfully disagree with you.
There is an excellent book by David Hunt that is devoted to this entire subject. He backs his material with sound sources, including Holy Scripture.
A Cup of Trembling: Jerusalem and Bible Prophecy
Posted on 03/05/2008 2:05:29 PM PST by forkinsocket
Should diaspora Jews have a say in the political negotiations about Jerusalem?
"Arafat balked at not having sovereignty over all of East Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount." That's former President Bill Clinton's version of the defining moment of the failed Camp David summit of 2000. "He turned the offer down." Clinton "called Arab leaders for support," but "most wouldn't say much." Not one of them was brave enough—or stupid enough—to take the credit and the blame for helping Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat give up, even if only symbolically, on Muslim control of the Temple Mount.
So, the problem of Jerusalem was not solved. And as the current Israeli and Palestinian leaders—Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and President Mahmoud Abbas—again inch toward an agreement, an old reality is suddenly dawning on both of them, and on the American facilitator: Reaching an agreement on Jerusalem will demand more time and more creativity than the timetable for agreement (the end of 2008) can provide.
Jerusalem is the main reason we hear Olmert and Abbas talking about an agreement of principles rather than an agreement. This is the question on which no weak leader—and both are weak politically—can compromise. Olmert is under constant threat that Shas, the right-wing religious party, will leave the ruling coalition if Jerusalem is so much as discussed in the peace negotiations. Abbas, like every Arab leader, is under the more severe threat that he will become a target of violence by Muslim radicals if he decides to make compromises and accept an offer similar to the one Arafat rejected.
Olmert's life is complicated by more than just Israelis' opposition to compromises on Jerusalem.
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I belongs to the Jews. The Bible says it over, and over, and over again.
Before islam, the land was promised to Abraham and his decendants by God. It is for the Jews, not anyone else, the Jews only.
Looking at it any other way is asking for trouble.
Besides, most of Jewish diaspora hase never even lived in Isreal, I'd suspect.
True but the Bible is referring to spiritual not racial jews.
- Leviticus 18:26-28
I respectfully disagree with you.
There is an excellent book by David Hunt that is devoted to this entire subject. He backs his material with sound sources, including Holy Scripture.
A Cup of Trembling: Jerusalem and Bible Prophecy
I'll stick with a different excellent book.
Philisitinians, drop dead.
How do you feel about racial Jews, joebuck?
ML/NJ
I’m sure you’ve heard of “circumcision of the heart”?
Romans 2:28-29: A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.
Galatians 3:29: If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
BTW, Abraham, to whom the promise was made, never actually took possession of the land — the land in the OT was a type and shadow of the true Promised Land:
Hebrews 11:9-10: By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Galatians 4:26: But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Suffice to say, Christ is the seed of Abraham, and the promise is eternal life in the true Promised Land.
Read the book of Romans
For a devil can read scripture to the devil's own understanding, right?
So you ask me to answer how I feel about racial jews apart from what Paul tells us in Romans? The answer to that would depend on the racial jew in question.
You made a general comment about Jews. You said in all essence that racial Jews are frauds.
I didn't say that at all as any racial jews who accept Jesus Christ, as well as gentiles who accept the same, are are the spiritual heirs to God's covenant. These are the ones God made his covenant with from the begining and it will stand to the end. This is basic Christian theology 101. You really ought to try reading the Bible.
The Biblical Israelites were far more effective at ensuring that their possession was not disputed, than the modern Israelites
G-d's promises are not trivial things. Israel has been rebuked, but never abandoned. And by Israel I mean what you call "racial Jews".
It's great that the world has come to of learn Israel's spiritual inheritance fairly well via the Christians, guided always by a few "racial" Jews in the diaspora. Great and terribly painful too. Painful for all, so much runs disjointly when the world is not run in proper spiritual order!
Now that Jews are in Israel, it would be greater still if the world could reattach to the Divine, per Israel's service, and most hopefully in our time in the holy city David and Solomon established -- Jerusalem.
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