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Obama: "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Christianity Today ^ | 1/23/2008 | Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen

Posted on 03/06/2008 6:56:59 PM PST by van_erwin

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To: van_erwin

I question whether you can truly be a Christian and adhere to liberal or Democrat ideology.

There is no question that when he was small Obama attended a Muslim school. His father and step-father were both Muslims. How deep Muslim indoctrination went into his soul is unclear. But, given his liberal Democrat views, it is hard to believe he is truly a Christian.

There may not be a formal relgious test for office in America, but a lot of people will find it hard to vote for Obama when they know about his unclear religious background. It is important we all point out these facts about Obama to our family, friends and acquaintances.


61 posted on 03/06/2008 7:27:56 PM PST by FFranco
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To: r9etb
For some FReepers, it's The Crucial Question: is Obama a secret Muslim or not? One fellow (whose screen name I cannot recall) was adamant in demanding to see Obama's baptism certificate.

I'm sorry. I have no patience for this idiocy. Shouldn't people have to pass a simple reading comprehension test before being allowed to post on this site?

For the luvofgawd. Where do I begin? So, he comes out and says this stuff about religion. And what, that makes him credible to "certain FReepers?" Maybe to the ones in Rio Linda.

I mean, this is such folly on so many fronts. It's not credible; but even before that, it shouldn't matter in America. You're not freaking elected to go to church. You're elected to uphold the Constitution. Where and what you worship is your own private domain. This is NOT Saudi Arabia.

And if what you worship manifests itself in a way that Americans respect, you just might get yourself elected.

Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work.

But that's Conservatism 101. Were you absent that day?

62 posted on 03/06/2008 7:28:13 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: van_erwin

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=1007&more=1&c=1

On Obama’s church’s “yoga ministry” page:

“Within each us is the seed of Divinity.
Each Soul is divine.
I bow to the divinity in us all!”


63 posted on 03/06/2008 7:29:49 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: michigander

shoot. do I click it or don’t I?


64 posted on 03/06/2008 7:29:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: Rome2000
..and God gave us new 10 Commandments: adoration, liberation, Africa, Africa, restoration, economic parity...

Great, we now can murder, steal, commit adultery and sill obtain eternal salvation?! I can imagine confessional there... Forgive me father for what I've sinned, i did not obtain economic parity today with my neighbor; door was darn closed.

65 posted on 03/06/2008 7:29:58 PM PST by alecqss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don’t Muslims refer to Jesus as Issa or Iza or somesuch? Just sayin’.

You're pretty close. Isa al-Masih. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet, but not the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

They also believe that Jesus will enter Jerusalem with the Mahdi (Islam's messiah) and pray at Al-Aqsa mosque with the Mahdi.

Muslims also don't have any problem with lining up their "good guys" in their end-times prophecy with the "bad guys" found in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Being that it's such a deceptive religion and its lies about the person and work of Jesus, I believe Islam was put together by Satan himself.

66 posted on 03/06/2008 7:31:06 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Graybeard58
"...It’s that shifty look and beady eyes that give him away..."


67 posted on 03/06/2008 7:32:32 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Jorge

No, you’re misunderstanding me.

Any Muslim who honestly finds salvation in Jesus is saved.

Obama could very well be a false Christian who claimed conversion to further the aim of Islamification of this nation, which is one of their goals.

Islam forbids conversions to any faith away from Islam, often under penalty of death. Except of course when one is sent undercover as a mole to further the aims of the worldwide Jihad.


68 posted on 03/06/2008 7:34:01 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: the invisib1e hand
But that's Conservatism 101. Were you absent that day?

Uh ... is there some particular reason you decided to behave like a rude SOB toward me?

69 posted on 03/06/2008 7:35:40 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Bosco

Islamics have a duty to lie to infidels.......


70 posted on 03/06/2008 7:37:00 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: r9etb
Uh ... is there some particular reason you decided to behave like a rude SOB toward me?

It's your lucky day?

No, try to see my point and overlook the rudeness.

71 posted on 03/06/2008 7:37:19 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: yldstrk

You are correct, primarily during the prosecution of jihad.


72 posted on 03/06/2008 7:38:40 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: freekitty
This can't be sitting well with Calypso Louie! Will he retract his endorsement?

This makes him an apostate to the muslims, and as such is below us infidels.

NOW maybe we'll see the usual suspects howling and getting worked up over it.

The fact that the muslims HAVEN'T been makes me wonder what they know about him that we don't. Let's see if this gets their attention.

73 posted on 03/06/2008 7:38:45 PM PST by Slump Tester (Only CINOs and democRATs knowingly and willingly vote for RINOs!)
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To: van_erwin
Does anyone really believe borderline racism and making fun of someone’s middle name are the way to go?

It's a tactic that works on a certain racist element in the rat party.

A democrat accquantence of mine told me that he could never vote for a woman or a n*****. There's a lot of that among liberals.

I, on the other hand, could happily vote for a conservative woman or black person.

74 posted on 03/06/2008 7:39:25 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: the invisib1e hand
"Where and what you worship is your own private domain..."


So you're fine with a Satanist in the White House? Howzabout some wiccan-spouting warlock who'll have wild orgies there as part of his "rituals"? Maybe you'd some tree-hugger who worships the Earth Goddess Gaia?

Oh wait, Algore does...then again he lost.
75 posted on 03/06/2008 7:40:12 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: van_erwin; All

I find this statement unbelievable!

Why ..??

Because I’ve already heard Obama say that he doesn’t know if he’ll go to heaven.

IF YOU’RE A BELIEVER .. A PERSON WHO HAS RECEIVED JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR .. YOU KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO HEAVEN AND NOBODY CAN EVER TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY.

You can’t claim to be a Christian .. and not know where you will end your days.


76 posted on 03/06/2008 7:41:26 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: The greatest nation on the face of the earth.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
So you're fine with a Satanist in the White House? Howzabout some wiccan-spouting warlock who'll have wild orgies there as part of his "rituals"? Maybe you'd some tree-hugger who worships the Earth Goddess Gaia?

again. R-E-A-D T-H-E P-O-S-T.

there really needs to be a class on conservatism here. Where's Bill Buckley - but wait, you probably wouldn't read his posts, either.

77 posted on 03/06/2008 7:42:59 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (dehumanize: the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: FFranco

Obama could put this whole Muslim subject to rest by publically eating a nice greasy Polish sausage wrapped with bacon on national TV.


78 posted on 03/06/2008 7:43:40 PM PST by Spokane
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Eh... They all claim to be Christians. (Presidential Candidates, that is.) Most are lying when they say it. I daresay Obama is one of them. Maybe he IS practicing Takiyya when he says this.

Yet... I wouldn’t presume to say that Obama is actually a muslim. Though he obviously has a soft spot in his heart (and head ;) for them.

Being a hard core Marxist as he definitely is, he really isn’t allowed to believe in any God but the State.

The church he attends is not Christian, even though it calls itself that in its name. It is just Marxism and racism and anti-Americanism preached into the pews.

He only joined a church in the first place because when he was a paid neighborhood rabble-rouser, his targets kept asking him where he went to church, so he joined the one that most of his targets went FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES ONLY.

It is pretty much just coincidence that that church happens to preach the non-Christian beliefs that he was raised with.


79 posted on 03/06/2008 7:45:32 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Noone/Nohow '08)
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To: Spokane
I bet he'd do a better job than some candidates have.

Remember John Kerry trying to daintily eat that steak & cheese hoagie in South Philly back in 2004?


80 posted on 03/06/2008 7:47:03 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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