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To: ari-freedom
so tell mccain to do something about the border. We should oppose any new amnesty plan. We did it before.

After voting for someone whose primary issue is throwing the border wide open, is that realistic? To this day he still insists his bill was not amnesty, although by any reasonable definition of the word it almost certainly was. It would be just as reasonable - perhaps even more so - to expect to be able to influence a Democrat on this issue. The Democrats are pro-illegals but they haven't made it their signature issue like McCain has.

Besides, even if you build a Berlin wall, terrorists will just dig a tunnel or come in through some other way.

A wall would make it much harder to infiltrate the country. It is not a Berlin Wall that we need; what we need is a Great Wall of China, and for the same reasons - to keep a foreign barbarian population from overrunning the country. The Chinese version has been extremely effective. Anyway, if you are going to pursue that line of thinking to its logical end, why have any defensive security measures at all, if our enemies will simply find another way?

You have to get them at the source and that is what we’re doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The source is not Iraq and Afghanistan. The source is in every Islamic community on the planet. As long as there are followers of Muhammad's example, there will be an enemy we must kill in order to ensure our own survival. In Iraq and Afghanistan, anyone who has been paying close attention can tell you that the enemy is foreign to those lands - they come in from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran. We have not even begun to address the actual source of the enemy forces. When we defeated Rommel's tanks in North Africa, they was certainly the enemy but definitely not the source of the enemy.

109 posted on 03/07/2008 1:19:55 AM PST by Content Provider
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To: Content Provider
A wall would make it much harder to infiltrate the country.

It is much harder to hide one's activities if one cannot blend into the (up to) 30,000 illegals a day that are currently streaming in... And it is much harder to move nefarious materials if the logistical support of the smuggling trade is cut off...

111 posted on 03/07/2008 1:27:19 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Content Provider

but mccain understands the source of terrorism. Obama will make that source stronger. He’d also eliminate missile defense and weaken the military. It’s not so easy to repair...we had 9/11 because clinton was playing around with our defenses for 8 years. But it happened under Bush’s watch so he got the blame instead.


113 posted on 03/07/2008 1:33:16 AM PST by ari-freedom (We need more conservatives like Buckley and fewer Coulters)
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To: Content Provider
After voting for someone whose primary issue is throwing the border wide open, is that realistic?

Nope.

To this day he still insists his bill was not amnesty, although by any reasonable definition of the word it almost certainly was.

Yup.

It would be just as reasonable - perhaps even more so - to expect to be able to influence a Democrat on this issue. The Democrats are pro-illegals but they haven't made it their signature issue like McCain has.

Yup.


114 posted on 03/07/2008 1:34:38 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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