Posted on 03/14/2008 4:48:04 PM PDT by Bokababe
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Sadly, the USA has demonstrated that it is now an enemy of the Serbs and a friend, quizzically, to the Al Qaeda loving Albanian muslims who are working hard to create an Albanian empire in the Balkans.
Carter blundered badly in Iran.
Clinton blundered badly in Kosovo.
The Russians are actually on the right side for once.
Bush blundered badly following Clinton.
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Actually the real death toll was 1.014 million...the communists inflated the death toll in order to get more reparations from the Germans.
As for the Serbs during WW2, more fought on the side of the Axis until roughly late 1943 when Serbs began to desert the Royalist Chetniks and join Tito's Communist Partisans.
Actually the real death toll was 1.014 million...the communists inflated the death toll in order to get more reparations from the Germans. As for the Serbs during WW2, more fought on the side of the Axis until roughly late 1943 when Serbs began to desert the Royalist Chetniks and join Tito's Communist Partisans.
The Albanians have no love for al-Qaida.
Peddle your revisionist history somewhere else, Dio. That's complete crap and you know it.
Once again I present my challenge to anyone here (or elsewhere) to debate the matter. So far, every Serb on FR has chickened out.
Yes, neither did the "poor Bosnian Muslims" -- they were all supposedly"peace-loving secular Muslims" -- or so the combined PR lies went. Then several of the 9/11 hijackers came out of Bosnia, then new suicide bombers out of Bosnia. Today, terrorism experts are pretty well agreed that Bosnia is a hub of al Qaeda actitivity.
After four of the Fort Dix Six were identified as Kosovo and Macedonian Albanian Muslims, you've got a pretty hard sell on the idea that "there are no Albanian al Qaeda".
Not "chickened out", just bored with rehashing your nonsense Tudjman historical revisionism over and over. Can't hide the fact that the Croat Ustase were alled with Nazi Germany, so you want to drag the Serbs into the toilet with you.
Tudjman's quote about Jews was really priceless as an example of what nonsense this Croat revisionism is: "The Jews provoke envy and hatred but actually they are 'the unhappiest nation in the world', always victims of 'their own and others' ambitions', and whoever tries to show that they are themselves their own source of tragedy is ranked among the anti-Semites and the object of hatred by the Jews".
What utter garbage!
Sorry, but I don't use Tudjman as a source on this matter. My sources are Chetnik, Italian, and German primary sources.
Again, I challenge anyone on FR to debate this matter.
The Kosovo Albanians reject Wahhabism (but take Saudi money anyway), Bosnia is a different story.
Absolutely, Bokababe. Right out of the “Croatian/Communist handbook”.
There is no “debate” with a “true believer”.
A few tidbits of info are worthy here:
Mihailovich’s chetnik stronghold was predominatly in Serbia proper during WWII, and also in parts of Bosnia and in parts of the Krajina area in Croatia (where there was a majority Serb population), and in areas of Montenegro. Tito had very little strength in Serbia proper. His areas of support lay in Croatia, Montenegro, and Bosnia.
In late 1943, the Allies, for all practical purposes, abandoned General Mihailovich and his chetniks, at the behest of Winston Churchill, his treacherous commie advisors in Cairo, and his pro-Tito friends at home. Mihailovich and his Chetniks were left to the wolves, simultaneously at the mercy of the Nazi occupiers and Tito’s Partisans, who, depending on how you look at things, were every bit as destructive or more so, than the Germans were in Yugoslavia.
Due to the horrific Ustasha (read: Croatian and Bosnian Moslem Nazi quislings) massacres against the Serbian population in the Independent State of Croatia (which at that time included Bosnia-Hercegovina), many Serbs fled from the massacres by joining Tito’s Partisans who happened to be prevalent in specific areas of Croatia.
As for “more Serbs fought on the side of the Axis until roughly late 1943”, that’s a line that would make even Adolf Hitler laugh. He knew exactly whose side the Serbs were on, just as he knew exactly whose side the Croatians, the Bosnian Moslems and Albanians were on. If this had indeed been true, the Nazis would not have instituted their terrible 100 for 1 reprisal policy against the Serbs on September 13, 1941 which they implimented and executed with devastating consequences for the Serbian civilian population. That’s 100 dead Serbs for every 1 dead German.
Hitler also knew what Tito was all about. He let it be known that he always considered Mihailovich and his Chetniks the bigger, more real, threat in Yugoslavia.
What often confuses the issue is that some Serbs were “Partisans” and some were “Chetniks”. Those who were chetniks (often referred to as “nationalists”) would not only pay the price from the Nazis, they would pay the price from the Yugoslav Partisans (communists) as well, both during and after the war.
German archives and German commander testimonies would best address the “Serbs fighting on the side of the Axis” nonsense.
Now, Croatians fighting on the side of the Axis, that’s a whole ‘nother story.
The Chetniks stopped fighting the Germans by the end of 1941. Most Chetniks never once fought either the Italians or Germans, particularly those in Dalmatia, Lika, Central and Western Bosnia. And I'm not even touching upon the legal Chetniks outside of the Ravnagora movement who collaborated with the Germans from day one.
Nor am I even touching the topic of Ljotic's units, who by the way, were tied to Djujic's Chetniks of Dalmatia, Lika, and Western Bosnia since Djujic was a member of Ljotic's Zbor party.
That's funny, considering the fact that the Chetniks began collaboration with the Germans in 1941 in Eastern Bosnia under Major Dangic's forces. LMAO.
2. The communists, and Nazi supporters (including the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians) have been trying to smear him ever since -- with no luck.
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