Posted on 03/20/2008 11:15:18 AM PDT by rellimpank
Shut down the corrupt government schools.
Give people their money back
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Sitting here laughing!
With today's very **inexpensive** technology and excellent on-line curriculum conservatives ( Christians and non-Christians)could completely abandon the Prussian model, brick and mortar, prison-like system of schools.
Conservatives could easily establish private scholarship foundations that could give private vouchers to students attending conservative schools. These foundations could also certify the schools, teachers, and test the students.
When conservatives ( Christian and non-Christian) are ready to take responsibility for the education of the next generation of voters, they should seriously consider doing this.
Simultaneously, they should also seriously work to SHUT DOWN the Marxist government indoctrination camps. THAT would be the **responsible** thing to do! Every child in the U.S. could have the best education the world has ever seen. Conservatives could do this if they WANTED!
“Shut down the corrupt government schools.
Give people their money back”
Ah yes, the choir chimes in.
Why should we shut down what we allowed to develop?
Why not take it back and make it right?
Or are you all just looking for the easy way?
See post 42. And really, you need a new line.
>Ah yes, the choir chimes in.
Truly, an elitist, pinheaded comment.
Thank you for being a prime example.
Some things are just too rotten to fix, or they are too badly broken.
Start again with a fresh slate and do it right.
>Why should we shut down what we allowed to develop?
Because that is how some things are done, and how results are often achieved.
If you need to reply, try to leave the snotty rejoiners behind, okay?
Otherwise don’t bother.
“If you need to reply, try to leave the snotty rejoiners behind, okay?
Otherwise don’t bother.”
Oh gee, you’re no fun. I don’t really care whether you like my conversation style or not. Personally arrogance is obnoxious.
>Why should we shut down what we allowed to develop?
Because that is how some things are done, and how results are often achieved.
Says who, you? I’m of the opinion that cleaning up and rebuilding is far better than shutting it down. Of course, you and others think it’s totally broken and I don’t.
Folks like you make it hard for folks like me to get anything done because of your lack of support.
I had a similar problem. I handled it a little differently.
"My" bully had a little brother who was around my age and size. I took the little brother aside and told him the next time his brother laid a hand on me I would beat him to a pulp.
The bully never bothered me again. Maybe it wasn't "fair" to the little brother, but it worked!
I find Tae Kwon Do ineffective against larger or multiple opponents. Find a "Hap Ki Do" instructor.
Not only is Hap Ki Do an effective discipline and more defensively minded, it IS dirty fighting! Smaller people have an easier time using it in real-life situations.
I will check around and see if we have that in the area. Thank you!
You're right, but I fear we'll never have that particular discussion.
I'm heartened to see parents get involved - we're the only ones who can keep the schools honest.
Well, a little more honest.
That was why schools were run locally—by local people elected to local school boards.
NCLB and state interference and demands has removed local input and local concern.
Government schools have always been, and are now, hotbeds for nepotism and political favoritism.
The concept of compulsory attendance, compulsory taxpayer funded government schools has always ( from the very beginning) flawed.
They are flawed on two levels:
1) Government monopoly schools distort the economy.
2) Government schools have always assaulted freedom of conscience and First Amendment human rights.
In my county the government school is the single largest employer in the county. There is **no** other business with more employees. Then there are the non-government businesses that provide services and supply products to the government schools. Finally, there are people whose businesses depend on government employees. My dentist depends on school dental insurance for his living. My church depends on all of the above people to put money in the collect plate.
The above is corrupt! It is corrupt even if it were functioning. None of the above people ( or their families) are going to vote for anything that disrupts the money flow into their pockets, even if it would lead to more efficiency or to a better product.
Re: Freedom of conscience.
Education is NEVER religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. It is impossible! It is axiomatic!
There are hundreds ( possibly thousands!) of binary decisions that government schools must make. Once action is taken, the government supports one group of citizens’ religious, political, and cultural worldview, and actively ( sometimes maliciously) trashes and crushes the worldview of others.
***ALL education has a religious worldview.****
Whereas in the past government education supported and establish a Protestant Christian worldview, today it is a god-less, Secular Humanist, Marxist religious worldview. In the past, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Amish, (for example) suffered under government school oppression. Today the government schools oppress Christians and observant Jews.
Gee! What the **stupid** Protestant Christians of the 19th century didn't realize when they FORCED government schools upon the nation was the following:
Any government powerful enough to force Protestant Christianity upon the unwashed immigrant masses pouring into the country in the 19th century, is powerful enough force an atheistic, Secular Humanist, Marxist, morally relativistic, materialistic worldview upon them in the 20th and 21st centuries!
Re: First Amendment
Then there is the problem of forcing children into prison-like buildings, removing nearly all of their First Amendment Rights, and treating them ( in many cases) WORSE that prisoners! Prisoners have it somewhat better than children in government schools. Prisoners are NOT subjected to non-stop proselytizing in the government religious worldview.
The above has ALWAYS been a fundamental and irresolvable problem with compulsory attendance, compulsory tax funded government schools. IT CAN NOT BE FIXED! The concept was flawed from the beginning.
Solution: Begin the process of completely privatizing universal K-12 education.
That was why schools were run locally—by local people elected to local school boards.( bannie)
we're the only ones who can keep the schools honest( )
Correction concerning quotes:
That was why schools were run locally—by local people elected to local school boards.( bannie)
we're the only ones who can keep the schools honest(highball )
I disagree with you, as more and more children attend private schools and are homeschooled and the price of publicly funded education continues to rise, as these non public schooled children get older, vote and hold office, things will change. Remeber the cream rises to the top.
“I had a similar problem. I handled it a little differently.
“My” bully had a little brother who was around my age and size. I took the little brother aside and told him the next time his brother laid a hand on me I would beat him to a pulp.
The bully never bothered me again. Maybe it wasn’t “fair” to the little brother, but it worked!”
Perfect GB.
I never was good at fighting while in grade school, but I did learn to give as good as I got when I entered Russell High School in East Point.
If I hadn’t had to drop out in the eighth grade to help my dad with his finances, I probably would have become a very good fighter, or permanently disfigured.
There are times it saddens me to know I never got to graduate High School but I would do it again to help my dad. He was my best friend and he sacrificed so much for me. He never encouraged me to fight, but he always told me to never run. He believed a person should always defend themselves or they would live the life of miserable coward.
Is there anything stopping you from going to night school for your GED? You've got the experts of FR if you need help with home work!
Can your husband have a “talk” with her husband or reasonable facsimile?
I don’t have a husband, and I don’t know if she does either.
When I went to school, the schools with the least amount of bullying were the ones where the teachers and administration just didn’t put up with it. If you beat someone up or engaged in a pattern of bullying, you were suspended. Period.
If you’re going to send your kids to government schools, you have to teach them to fight to protect themselves.
No one else will.
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