In other words, brainwashed, berated, and broken.
Click the Video.
Posted on 04/18/2008 8:38:05 AM PDT by DFG
When Texas authorities seized 416 children in a raid on a compound of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Americans quickly learned that the religious group encourages polygamy and the marriage of young girls to older men. Escape, a memoir published last fall, offers a more detailed portrait of life with the FLDS. In the book, Carolyn Jessop, a sixth-generation polygamist describes her life as the fourth wife of Merril Jessop, who ran the recently raided Texas compound. Carolyn left Merril in 2003, before he moved to Texas, but her memoir sheds light on the man and on the beliefs and practices common within the insular community. Below, Slate flags Carolyn's most intriguing, strange, and heartbreaking allegations.
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
In other words, brainwashed, berated, and broken.
Click the Video.
You too Dan. Stick around awhile and don't try to run away from Free Republic posters here.
We have some questions for you.
And from your responses, I can see you like to ignore the rule not to personally attack other memebers. Knock It Off!
The FLDS group says they don't marry them until puberty. If you don't want to believe that, then call them liars, but what I see people doing is 'implying' pre-pubescent rape simply based on age and their own personal opinions. In the span of history, marrying young women to older men wouldn't even merit a second glance. It has been practiced as long as their have been humans. It is only in this politically-correct environment against a minority population (e.g., try it against the homosexuals, for instance.) that the charge of 'criminality' can be leveled.
Well...it sure sounds like you are advocating the sexual contact of underage girls by adult males. And you don't consider it rape.
You assume 'abuse' and it is your opinion that minors practicing the same behavior is 'less criminal'. I do not assume abuse and it is my opinion that minors practicing the same behavior is more criminal. This is why I say it is a matter of opinion rather than any real abuse or criminality.
There is a reason these psyops are being perpetrated here and now. Society is being prepped for more 'witch hunts' and they will be totally surprised when it is applied to them.
Oh, I think you will find there are many who disagree with your whole perverted stance.
My friend, the point is not whether FLDS is meeting your standards of Christian obedience or not.
The point is whether you want the state raiding every home that does not comply with govt norms.
The state will soon use that technique against good Christians like yourself because you supported it's use against people that did not meet your own standard of obedience to Christ.
Well, I would lean with you & say you are probably right, but probabilities just doesn't work as agency policy, now does it? I mean, first of all, I could ask you, "Dan, how is it that you absolutely know that a desperate polygamous father won't whisk away an underaged girl to get abortion to save himself from jail time? Do you have some special inside knowledge here?" And, back to policy, do you really expect governmental agencies like CPS or law enforcement to have one policy for fLDS folks & another policy for everybody else? ("Oh, we'll not bother with securing the environment where evidence is present because GourmetDan says 'it's not applicable' to sincere religious folks.") So much for your wishful thinking about two-tiered policies on collecting evidence.
These people love their children and certainly aren't aborting them.
Again, I would lean with you on the side of giving them the benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, a 50 yo man who would rape an underage girl isn't really "loving" her to begin with, is he? (There goes leaning so much weight on "love") Secondly, you don't know even the mainstream Mormon position on abortion, do you? (There's so many exceptions, it looks like cheese with holes carved out all over). LDS allow for abortions for reasons of incest, rape, if the abortionist says so, if the baby is disabled, and to top it off, if the Mormon god says so as affirmed by personal revelatory prayer to the person or family seeking the abortion. (To implicate God as an accessory to murder shows the sick root of the fLDS fruit).
These girls aren't being kidnapped and forced into a lifestyle foreign to them by anyone except by the state of TX.
Let's take this evaluation away from all Mormondom for a moment. You're seriously saying that if Cult AYZ established a compound out in NowhereLand...and as long as its residents were harvested there out of any given womb, from birth...doesn't matter if the parents never saw them again post-birth...as long as the "residents" were actually born there & given up by willing parents, their offspring (in your words) aren't being kidnapped and forced into a lifestyle foreign to them? Wow! How nice it must be to be able to make "technically true" statements in defense of mass rape (I mean how could anybody accuse any cult of enforcing a "foreign" lifestyle upon anybody as long as that "anybody" doesn't know anything different?)
OK, gone
Wow! Rape is now reduced to a violation against a "govt norm."
I gotta give ya "credit," Dan. If I wanted to "loosen up" societal law enforcement on any given moral evil, I'd do what you're doing: I'd make the government the culprit to turn the attention off of the real culprits.
(Hey, it worked in the O.J. Simpson trial...it went from a trial about domestic violence triggered murder with O.J. as the accused to where Mark Fuhrman was on trial for his racist statements...the trial was converted from what a man & woman violently endured to "the process" and "processors"...and if "the process was "off-base" only by a splinter...well, who knows? The state will soon use that splinter against good minorities because those minorities didn't rally themselves to the defense of O.J. just because O.J. did not meet their own standard of obedience to Christ) Sheesh!
It is an LDS, FLDS, and RLDS myth that 50 to 60 year old men should "marry" girls who are 12, 13, 14, 15, or 16 because that is how it was done years before.
If one looks at US statistics over the past 100 years for example, one sees that men had an average age at marriage of 25.9 years in 1900. Women in 1900 had an average age at marriage of 22 years.
Even Jane Austen, writing in the early 19th century had heroines married at the earliest age of 17 or 18. In Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books, which are semi-autobiographical, her father would not allow her to marry until she was 18. Thus it can be said that the average woman was past 21 when entering her first marriage, 100 years ago.
In other cultures, age at marriage may be slightly lower. For example, in Mexico the mean age of marriage currently is 23.3 years for men and 18.4 years for women.
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-has-the-average-age-at-marriage-changed-over-time.htm
Hmmmmmmmm........don't see much there about 14 year old girls "marrying" 55 year fat pigs?
Where is that written that it is good? (Besides your own manual?)
Twelve year olds ARE girls. They are not women by any stretch of the imagination.
Even if these girls are capable of becoming pregnant, their bodies are not nearly close to being fully mature and ready to carry children. Complications to the mother and baby due to the physical immaturity of the girl's body are high.
Trying to call them women just because some of them are capable of becoming pregnant is a pretty pi$$ poor excuse for defending the rape of said girls.
Based on what you have said so far condoning the implicit rape of female children, you are not my friend sir.
the point is not whether FLDS is meeting your standards of Christian obedience or not.
Uhhh..........yes it is Sherlock. You just do not want that to be the point.
Let's try again. This is important.
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"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Matthew 5:28
The Mormons claim to be followers of Christ, yes?
Did the "prophet" Joseph Smith "restore" what Christ said?
(Doink...need to close my italics....ergggg). Sorry!
SkyPilot, is that Carolyn Jessop in aqua in the back row?
Notice her "smile."
Thank you sir.
Hey!! Maybe “he’s” a woman!! :p
Several insightful reports on the state sponsored child abuse "industry" and foster care "mills" can be found by simple research and study. From what I have read from your posts on various threads, you seem to have an understanding of the dismal record of CPS tactics and "services." First hand accounts can be found in several books, including reading the following heartwrenching triology series:
A Child Called It, The Lost Boy: A Foster Child's Search for the Love of a Family , and A Man Called Dave, by Dave Pelzer.
Also, do you remember the foster parents who locked their foster children in cages? There are countless such stories. As well as legions of reports of false allocations and mishandled investigations from CPS.
Another interesting read:
A Critical Look At The Foster Care System: How Safe the Service?
This mantra toward anybody voicing concerns about the way CPS handles investigations being equivalent to supporting polygamy abuse of women and children is disturbing. Your distent from that mindset is greatly appreciated.
Finally, you commented somewhere (I think on this thread) about the women, children and all members of this sect getting fair representation. There have been reports of lawyers crying "foul" because they don't have sufficient or even appropriate papers, material, or info from the courts to duely represent their clients. One report today stated that the judge asked if all lawyers were going to object to what she was saying she wished they'd just all do it together at once. The courtroom full of lawyers stood to their feet and in unison said, "Yes." That is disturbing.
Regards-em
A real woman would have more courage than that.
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