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D.A. Charges Parents for Daughter's Death During Prayer
wbay.com ^ | 04/29/08 | Jenn Karlman

Posted on 04/30/2008 6:26:47 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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1 posted on 04/30/2008 6:26:50 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

Is God an unindicted co-conspirator?


2 posted on 04/30/2008 6:28:51 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: TornadoAlley3

Doesn’t mention Christian Science specifically, but seems like a variation on that theme.


3 posted on 04/30/2008 6:28:59 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Soliton

“Thou shalt be stupid” is not in the 10 commandments


4 posted on 04/30/2008 6:30:21 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: TornadoAlley3

If she hadn’t died, would they be charged? If they had treated her and she still died, would they be charged?


5 posted on 04/30/2008 6:32:40 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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If they had treated her and she still died, would they be charged?

If they had treated her, how would it be gross negligence?

6 posted on 04/30/2008 6:38:43 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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“”””””The D.A. said her decision to charge the parents was not an easy one. There is little case law — and none from Wisconsin — where a child died as a result of a parent's religious views. It comes down to weighing freedom of religion and parenting rights against the responsibility of the State to protect children. “”””””

Perhaps this is not the popular opinion, but just how far will the ‘state” be allowed to go with this???

I fear we are once again letting the camel poke his nose into the tent, without considering the logical consequences of where this policy will lead. Especially in todays society where common sense, and self-restraint are not seen as desirable chareceristics,

When it comes to litigation, and controlling the power of the state over individuals, how far will we let it go, if we preface it with the obligatory “Its for the children”?

Would I have acted as these parents did?? I hope not, but last time I checked, true freedom includes the freedom to be wrong as long as you are willing to accept the consequences for being wrong.

But, call me just another man out of time.

7 posted on 04/30/2008 6:39:01 AM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
The girl's mother has said the family believes in the Bible and that healing comes from God

That's why he appointed doctors for that task. God provides sustenance too... did these folks sit around the dining table praying for meals to materialize?

8 posted on 04/30/2008 6:39:23 AM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: TornadoAlley3

Sanctimonious stupidity.


9 posted on 04/30/2008 6:40:09 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Ezekiel
Luke was a doctor. I don't recall Jesus telling him to repent and get a real job.

I'm all for people following their faith, but human ability to grow food, build houses, and heal the sick is all of one piece for me. It's foolish to think that God is opposed to any of that.

10 posted on 04/30/2008 6:56:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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last time I checked, true freedom includes the freedom to be wrong as long as you are willing to accept the consequences for being wrong.

Not when the consequence of being wrong is somebody else's death. There are plenty of Muslim extremists who are "willing to accept the consequences" of the 3000+ deaths of OTHER people on 9/11. These parents are "willing to accept the consequences" of the helpless young daughter's completely avoidable death. Neither of these positions is defensible via the perpetrators' claiming a right to "true freedom".

11 posted on 04/30/2008 7:00:44 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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I hate to disagree with you, I was raised to understand that their was only one universal crime. And that was being stupid. The penalty can be as mild as being slightly embarrassed, and it can be as severe as death.

When you lose a child it is as if you had died. In fact you would trade places if it were possible. But what gives you the right to say that your values supersede the rights of others. Unless you are personally willing to intercede and take responsibility for the other person. then let the parents handle it.

If they are wrong, ultimately they will be punished. be it in this life, or the next.

12 posted on 04/30/2008 7:06:59 AM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

What’s the old joke about the guy on his roof waiting for God to save him from the flood? After he refuses several rescue attempts he wonders why God hasn’t saved him, to which God replies, “I sent a couple of boats and a helicopter.” Something like that anyway.


13 posted on 04/30/2008 7:08:41 AM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: Ezekiel

Like all really good jokes, there is a great deal of truth in that one.


14 posted on 04/30/2008 7:10:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: MCCRon58
I would not have acted as these parents did and I wonder if the DA has a record of charging parents who forget their kids in hot cars to die, leave loaded guns around and siblings kill each other. How much of this was because of religion.
15 posted on 04/30/2008 7:24:21 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

If she died, one could argue they didn’t treat her well enough. That’s the argument being made now, isn’t it?


16 posted on 04/30/2008 8:15:38 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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Would I have acted as these parents did?? I hope not, but last time I checked, true freedom includes the freedom to be wrong as long as you are willing to accept the consequences for being wrong.

You have a right to be wrong about your own life.

When the life isn't yours, you have much less of a right. Your children are yours to care for and tend. They are not yours to allow to die or to abuse due to your wacky ideas.

17 posted on 04/30/2008 8:37:12 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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I’d have to go back and look for the source, but my understanding from other news articles is that the parents were urged by other family who saw the girl’s deteriorating condition to get medical help for her, but the parents refused to seek any treatment except prayer.

From reading about the case, prosecution seems very warranted. The girl was suffering and dying before the parents’ eyes, and they never pursued any medical intervention for her. I don’t believe religious freedom or parental rights should include the right to allow a child to die based on a completely misguided belief that her obviously worsening illness was spiritual in nature and refusal to seek any other relief.

There’s nothing wrong with praying for the health and recovery over others, or refusing medical treatment for one’s self based on religious belief, but preserving the life of a minor child trumps the parents’ rights to impose those moral beliefs when they become a virtual death sentence by precluding life-saving treatment.


18 posted on 04/30/2008 8:38:40 AM PDT by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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... did these folks sit around the dining table praying for meals to materialize?

Best comment I've read all day!!!

19 posted on 04/30/2008 9:13:25 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: mountainbunny

And if I think that the way you are “caring” for you child could cause them harm, or in some way be insufficient to meet my standards of “tending “ them, I then have the right to use the long arm of the great god gov’t to take those children from you??

Where does it end?? Once we let the do-gooders, social workers and “Mrs Grundy’s” into our homes, we will NOT be able to get them out again.

In times past, it was the community through various forms of peer pressure who assured some standard of conduct within the neighborhood. But as we have become more affluent, and “successful” we have become lazier and look more to the questionable auspices of an ever more intrusive “state” do do for us, that which we used to (and should still) do for ourselves.


20 posted on 04/30/2008 9:46:01 AM PDT by MCCRon58 (Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach. Those who do neither, criticize.)
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