Posted on 05/06/2008 3:49:16 PM PDT by wagglebee
>> So you think Stein is praising science ...
Science is not pure and pray to God we use it in a way that doesn’t make us the worse for applying what we think we understand and can control.
You don’t suppose Adolph would pander to his audience do you?
Of course.
But that has nothing to do with what Stein is doing. When it comes to science, he's throwing a bomb into a crowded bus.
>> When it comes to science, he’s throwing a bomb into a crowded bus.
How is that different than what Al Gore is doing which, by the way, is the basis of my original comment to the comparison.
The bomb largely was a dud.
The movie may do better in DVD format promoted by churches when available.
Gore? He's a joke.
I don't look to either Gore or Stein for the latest findings on science.
Small potatoes ... heap contempt ... ?
Hmm. Well, okay, but I put gravy on mine.
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>> I don’t look to either Gore or Stein for the latest findings on science.
Neither do I. Gore has invested much more time and money into his campaign than Stein which would statistically give Gore the edge on affecting the interpretation of scientific data. To my original post commenting on the weight of the Gore & Stein campaigns, the retorts were irrelevant.
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“BTW, the Soviets arrested people and worse for teaching Darwinism.”
You have some examples of this? It would be passing strange since according to the book, “Landmarks in the Life of Stalin”, young Stalin thought highly of Darwin.
The controversy today appears to be among the unread, some of whom confess on this very forum that they abhor philosophy, because, according to one post I read, it hasn't made progress (unlike science) in 2,600 years (or maybe he said 6,456 years, since that is the age of the Earth.)
I don't know what it all says about the Theory of Evolution versus Whatever, and the thinkers I read as long as 2-3 decades ago never went into that particular argument, but the connection was there for all to see.
That Stalin, or Hitler, or Charles Manson, or Osama bin Laden may have read, agreed with, or have thought highly of Darwin is irrelevant to the nature of his research and its conclusions, or to the reproducible veracity of them.
It is almost impossible to distinguish between the eco-centric writings of Al Gore, and those of the Unibomber. Does that mean that Al Gore should be locked up to prevent him from causing mischief?
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Okay, bad example.
I had to scroll a while to find a relevant and appropriate point. Well said.
Why this issue of Intelligent Design, and making a logical and often made deduction from Darwin through eugenics to Hitler, causes such a temper tantrum from the Darwinists, is quite beyond me. The point of the movie was to say that the academy not only disagrees with ID, but seeks to destroy anyone involved with ID.
And that we see in all the Expelled threads on FR.
My comment on Stalin was in response to a post that suggested the Soviets arrested folks for teaching Darwinism and I thought it curious if true given Stalin’s view of Darwin’s work.
But I would ask you a question: Do the groups that so opposed the use of DDT in even the most minute amounts to kill mosquitoes bear any responsibility for the millions of malaria deaths and disabilities that followed its ban?
Does the “deep ecology” philosophy bear any guilt for those deaths since it advocates reducing the earth’s population to a fraction of what it is now, even if by “natural” means like malaria?
Lock up Big Al? Of course not, but it might be considered justice to demand that he live as he would have others live.
Should they? Yes.
"Does the “deep ecology” philosophy bear any guilt for those deaths since it advocates reducing the earth’s population to a fraction of what it is now, even if by “natural” means like malaria?"
Guilt didn't drive them to insanity, so it really won't affect them either way.
I have no objection to allowing the Earth's population to be reduced. Some of us want to get out of this looney-bin anyway.
I'd like to retire to one of the cloud-cities of Venus.
Hitler professed himself a Christian, and declared that Christianity was to be the moral foundation of the Reich.
If you are going to connect the TOE to Hitler's crimes, then would you not also have to connect Christianity to his crimes?
The movie, Expelled, was a dynamite of a movie.
It covered many things, including IDers losing their free speech for even mentioning Intelligent Design.
And the movie had it’s light moments, too, thanks to Ben Stein’s dry humor.
Okay, so you’re saying that the average American undestood and loved the movie, but it was too intellectual for the scientists.
Not precisely too "intellectual," but too far outside the box within which the scientists in question think. Perhaps that is how I should have said it.
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