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Voting for Obama and being pro-Israel are mutually exclusive
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | May 9/08 | Ted Belman

Posted on 05/09/2008 8:16:55 AM PDT by tedbel

In the poll of Jewish voters (conducted April 1-30), it showed Obama getting 61% of the Jewish vote against John McCain (32%). Yet in the same poll Hillary Clinton beat Obama among Jewish voters 62% - 38%. So obviously Jews are lifelong democrats who would vote for Obama, whom they rejected in the primaries, rather than vote for McCain. Thus, for them, party loyalty is preferable to Israel loyalty.

Recently I posted two articles by Yarom Ettinger, former Israeli Ambassador to the US, The Prospects of a Palestinian State and National Interests of the United States and It’s American interests, stupid, both of which clearly demonstrate that keeping Israel strong is to keep America strong. Thus to be pro-Israel is to be pro-America. Now some would argue that most Jewish Americans are not one issue voters but they must realize that to favour a basket of issues or the Democratic Party above favouring Israel, makes them less pro-Israel and thus less pro-American. This I am sure will get howls of protest from the J-Street Lobby which represents progressive Jewry, who would have you believe that by forcing Israel to capitulate, they are acting in the best interests of Israel and the US. I hope you don't buy their thinking. These articles fly in the face of such thinking. Consider them carefully it is important.

While most Jews favour Obama in a run off with McCain because he is a Democrat, they ignore how pro-Palestinian and anti-American he is.

Let me list the ways.

    - Obama said "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people,"

    - Obama said "If there is an Arab American family [in the US] being rounded up without benefit of an attorney, those are my civil liberties!"


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; israel; issues; obama; president; proisrael; wright
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To: PhilDragoo; potlatch

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Good graphic Phil -


21 posted on 05/09/2008 10:24:25 AM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: tedbel
I have never understood the Jewish voters. First, gun control almost resulted in their extermination. Yet, they firmly support those that support gun control. Jews vote Democrat, yet its the majority of Republicans that support the Israelites. Jews know abortion is wrong, yet vote Democrat almost exclusively. Moses told his followers to not worship idols, yet they did and were smitten. Is there something about Jews that I am missing? I mean, in 1938 they willfully went into the camps without a fight..Do they have a gene inherent for self extermination?
22 posted on 05/09/2008 12:05:36 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror]

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As I've often noted, Israel isn't the first priority for most liberal voters, I know that's hard for some people to understand. And a liberal who thinks America can negotiate it's way out of problems will support the same tactic on Israel's part.

One can be pro-Israel and pro-Obama. But imo that individual is wrong on the issue of terrorism, and how the west must deal with it.

And that's the issue to be addressed, not the relatively cheap shot that you're a dem, so you can't be pro-Israel. Feel free to substitute pro-America. That approach is based on a false premise, and is counter productive.

23 posted on 05/09/2008 1:55:22 PM PDT by SJackson (It is impossible to build a peace process based on blood, Natan Sharansky)
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To: vetvetdoug
...gun control almost resulted in their [Jews'] extermination.

Yes, gun control was one factor that aided the Nazis in their perpetration of the Holocaust, but it was far from the entire explanation for it.

...they willfully went into the camps without a fight.

It certainly wasn't "willful" but in the large majority of instances, there was no practical means of resisting, since - for one thing - Jews were generally unarmed.

But there were exceptions. Some Jews joined non-Jews in partisan anti-Nazi resisistance militias in the various nations of Europe. And there was the famous and heroic Warsaw ghetto uprising in Poland in 1943. And, believe it or not, there were at least two incidents of Jewish inmates escaping concentration camps.

24 posted on 05/09/2008 3:13:35 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: tedbel

You may be interested to know that David Horowitz, whom I just heard over the radio, concurs precisely with my assessment that McCain will get 40+ percent of the Jewish vote vs. “Osama” Obama.


25 posted on 05/09/2008 3:18:35 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Kleebo151
Klee, I am no pollster but on the grassroots level. I have talked with many life long dems who hate Bush, but have told me they would never vote for Obama, and would actually vote for McCain.

They did say they would vote for Hillary if she got the nomination.

26 posted on 05/09/2008 3:23:14 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: Uncledave
Nonsense. November is a long long time away. Dukakis was leading by like 15-18% in most major polls at this point.

Dukakis had it easy, he only had Jesse Jackson nipping at his heels. Obama's got the Democratic version of the Hound of the Baskervilles going after him. This is such a fun election year, getting to enjoy the on-going slug-fest of Obama vs. the Hildehound.:)

27 posted on 05/09/2008 6:02:13 PM PDT by xJones
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Many Jews, especially those from immigrant families (esp from former USSR) are staunch Republicans and anti-Obama. It is probably due to their first-hand experience and familiarity with fierce antisemitism in their birthplaces. They value Israel, as do many Jews in the United States, and vote Republican seeing that conservatives tend to be more supportive of Israel. Obama is not a favorite among Russian Jews in the United States because of his known sympathetic stance with the Palestinians (he attended an Arab conference and dined with Edward Said- a very anti-Western “historian”), his willingness to sit down with a Holocaust-denier who threatens to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and his nuclear weapons advisor’s ridiculous comments about making Israel remove its nuclear weapons. It is just as puzzling to Russian Jews as it is to many Gentile conservatives as to why some American Jews are liberal.


28 posted on 05/09/2008 8:28:52 PM PDT by Rep_Is
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To: Rep_Is
Many Jews, especially those from immigrant families (esp the former USSR) are staunch Republicans and anti-Obama.

As a a second-generation American-born Jewish Republican, I have been aware of the political leanings of the more recently arrived Soviet (and other eastern European) Jewish immigrants for some time.

The question of Republican outreach to this group has been discussed. There are obviously some new Republican voters who can be cultivated there. But is such an effort worth it, when you consider that this community is both small and predominantly located in what have been 'Rat states and 'Rat localities? Would it help swing any elections on any level to the GOP? Please feel free to comment.

29 posted on 05/09/2008 9:06:20 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: tedbel
Voting for a 'Che' rebel in a 'Jesus suit' OR vote McCain. . .

plain and simple.

30 posted on 05/10/2008 8:55:05 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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