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I think that such activities have been an historical norm in warfare.
1 posted on 05/18/2008 3:30:22 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Reparations!
2 posted on 05/18/2008 3:33:39 PM PDT by rocksblues (Folks we are in trouble, "Mark Levin" 03/26/08)
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To: decimon

How many millions were killed by the Communists in North Korea?


3 posted on 05/18/2008 3:34:38 PM PDT by FFranco
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"North Korean invaders seized Seoul, the southern capital, in late June 1950 and freed thousands of prisoners, who rallied to the northern cause."

I see, they rallied to the Northern cause but they were all innocents with no communist leanings.

7 posted on 05/18/2008 3:38:59 PM PDT by Williams
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To: decimon

And liberals think we should be part of a global world and there is no difference between us and anyone else and they the rest of the world is a better palce to live.

Stupid liberals.


8 posted on 05/18/2008 3:39:23 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: decimon

This is a left wing commission which prospered under the now discredited socialist regime. This is just blowback by the press trying to discredit the new conservative government, and to portray our allies as evil, even dating back to the 1950’s.


9 posted on 05/18/2008 3:41:34 PM PDT by Williams
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I’m not buying that the US supported this, which was so inelegantly expressed in the very first sentence.


12 posted on 05/18/2008 3:43:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Blackrobes rule. Why vote?)
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I smell a rat. A commie pinko liberal leftie rat. Hundreds of thousands of dead people kept secret for over 50 years...yea, sure. They didn't have the Democratic Congress to seal the documents for over 50 years over there either.
14 posted on 05/18/2008 3:47:23 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: decimon

My dad was in Korea at that time with the 1st Marine Div.
He saw and delt with the atrocities of the North Koreans and Red Chinese but guess that doesn’t count


20 posted on 05/18/2008 4:02:36 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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I DON’T BELIEVE IT !!!!


21 posted on 05/18/2008 4:06:51 PM PDT by Schichtel (Scorch)
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To: decimon
I guess if these “western journalists” attempted to investigate some of the REAL and CURRENT atrocities ongoing on the planet -— they'd get their asses killed.

It's always safe to throw feces at the civilized......

26 posted on 05/18/2008 4:24:52 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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CHARLES J. HANLEY is the SAME leftist propagandist who has written about how truthful and forthcoming Joseph Wilson and his “CIA” bimbo wife were — and still denies that Iraq possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction — IN SPITE of the corpses of thousands of Kurds KNOWN to be killed by chemical weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION...

It’s a pity there isn’t a “Court of Journalist Credentials” where EACH year Journalists must PROVE their articles were TRUTHFUL and based on FACTS, not talking points.....


35 posted on 05/18/2008 5:01:19 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Well the title is twisted but the story is less exaggerated than expected from the title. The real story I think is that the funds to investigate this may be cut so we need to fluff it up so we can keep the funding coming in.

I think what actually started this (North Korean Invasion) is when "Secretary of State Dean Acheson's public statement in January 1950 that Korea was outside the U.S. defense perimeter in Asia." Truman's secretary of state.

38 posted on 05/18/2008 5:09:01 PM PDT by the_daug
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Now you know why the current generation of ROK civilins see America as their number one enemy and not the North.


39 posted on 05/18/2008 5:09:05 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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Kim said his projection of at least 100,000 dead is based in part on extrapolating from a survey by non-governmental organizations in one province, Busan's South Gyeongsang, which estimated 25,000 killed there.

Liberal NGOs inflate sketchy memories and extrapolate upward to insure more funding comes their way.

No doubt bad things happened as always does in war, but AP doesn't even try to balance the story with how many millions of ROK civilians were slaughtered by DNK and ChiComms, nor how many U.S. and allied troops where killed defending Korea against the invading Communists. Nor how many millions of free (and Communist) world citizens were spared from the ravages of nuclear war, by the East and West battling it out in proxy wars in Korea and other countries where the Communists tried to take over, instead of firing nukes at each other directly.

Certainly sad for these people's families, but their loss saved millions more.

45 posted on 05/18/2008 5:40:36 PM PDT by anymouse
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I suspect that most mass graves will be proven by forensic study to be victims of the Chinese and NK troops who flooded down the peninsula in 1950. The current investigators may not be aware, but the North was brutal and killed large groups of people in their advance and retreat.

I was there 52-53 and not involved in the civilian sector, and where I was, more interested in keeping my head down. But I do know the ROK military didn't fool around. If they found a suspected spy, a mamasan in the hills directing artillery fire or a ROK soldier showing a reluctance to move forward, they were summarily shot - no trial, no Guantanamo. But, the ROK army was good - with them on your flank there was no need to worry.

52 posted on 05/18/2008 6:42:14 PM PDT by elpadre
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I suspect that most mass graves will be proven by forensic study to be victims of the Chinese and NK troops who flooded down the peninsula in 1950. The current investigators may not be aware, but the North was brutal and killed large groups of people in their advance and retreat.

I was there 52-53 and not involved in the civilian sector, and where I was, more interested in keeping my head down. But I do know the ROK military didn't fool around. If they found a suspected spy, a mamasan in the hills directing artillery fire or a ROK soldier showing a reluctance to move forward, they were summarily shot - no trial, no Guantanamo. But, the ROK army was good - with them on your flank there was no need to worry.

53 posted on 05/18/2008 6:42:20 PM PDT by elpadre
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I suspect that most mass graves will be proven by forensic study to be victims of the Chinese and NK troops who flooded down the peninsula in 1950. The current investigators may not be aware, but the North was brutal and killed large groups of people in their advance and retreat.

I was there 52-53 and not involved in the civilian sector, and where I was, more interested in keeping my head down. But I do know the ROK military didn't fool around. If they found a suspected spy, a mamasan in the hills directing artillery fire or a ROK soldier showing a reluctance to move forward, they were summarily shot - no trial, no Guantanamo. But, the ROK army was good - with them on your flank there was no need to worry.

54 posted on 05/18/2008 6:42:26 PM PDT by elpadre
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The truth is that members of the American military did do some horrible things to the enemy and civilians during WW2 and Korea, including the execution of prisoners, yet those wars are considered good wars because we didn't have a press determined to undermine American efforts and make America and our allies look like bad guys. It's the truth and I've seen too many interviews with veterans in non-critical contexts (not trying to tear down America) that talk about it to dismiss it (in some cases, such as executing concentration camp guards, some are actually proud of it). Did you ever notice the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the Americans shoot the Germans coming out of a bunker with their hands up? I doubt that was made up and likely came from a veterans account of that day.

Often, that behavior from Americans was simply a response to an even more vicious and unethical opposition, such as the Japanese who feigned surrender to ambush Americans or who tortured prisoners or the as a reaction to what they took a look around the concentration camps that they liberated. Sometimes, it was simply individual soldiers going off the deep end or lacking in the experience and judgement to do the right thing. And there are always a certain number of nuts who make it into the military, especially when there is a widespread draft.

I point this out not to impugn the veterans of those wars, who were still generally paragons of virtue for their day and still worthy of admiration. I point this out to highlight just how admirable our current military is that the best the press can come up with to impugn American soldiers and Marines is Abu Ghraib and using a Koran for target practice. Compared to any military in the history of the planet, including our own, the American military today performs like angels.

55 posted on 05/18/2008 6:43:04 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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While atrocities are, regrettably, a part of warfare, there is some reason to view this report with a bit of suspicion.

The AP correspondent who co-authored this account, Charles Hanley, was part of a wire service “team” that won a Pulitzer in 1999 for their “expose” of a U.S. massacre of South Korean civilians at No Gun Ri in the summer of 1950.

The circumstances of both events were somewhat similar; the North Koreans were rolling south; the ROK Army had, essentially collapsed, and U.S. forces arriving on scene were trying desperately to establish defensive lines after the debacle of Task Force Smith. There were many reports of NK guerillas blending in with the hordes of refugees, heading south.

Hanley’s initial report created quite a stir, but an Army Ranger-turned-history professor at West Point was less than convinced. While Major Robert Bateman conceded that some ROK civilians had been killed at No Gun Ri, he disputed the accuracy of key portions of the AP story, provided by a solider who was supposedly there, Edward Daily. Bateman later proved that Daily was not at No Gun Ri, and his version of events was patently false.

Bateman also demonstrated that the U.S. policy to “shoot” refugees was not widely disseminated and indistinct, at best. While the AP later corrected their version to omit Daily’s account, they accused Bateman of a “tiresome” campaign to undermine their reporting. They also later produced a document which claimed the policy on shooting refugees was disseminated within the U.S. command structure and even broadcast over radio nets.

However, the document does not indicate to what degree the policy was disseminated, what radio nets carried the message and which units actually acknowledged receiving the directive and complying with it. In other words, the policy document discovered by the AP—after Bateman’s critique appeared—is not a complete vindication for the wire service.

It’s also worth noting that Hanley did everything he could to discredit Major Bateman, lobbying his publisher to cancel the Army officer’s book contract, and even complaining to historians who offered Bateman’s work a positive review.

For the problems with Hanley’s original No Gun Ri account—and his attitude toward those who would criticize his work—Hanley’s latest expose deserves similar scrutiny. Almost 60 years after the fact, memories get fuzzy and you can only wonder if there’s a Korean Edward Daily among those cited by the AP.


60 posted on 05/18/2008 7:28:02 PM PDT by JJAngleton
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Interesting historical note.
61 posted on 05/18/2008 7:45:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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