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More Information on UVA Wise Gun/essay expulsion
Shotgun News ^ | May 6, 2008 | Jeff Knox

Posted on 05/21/2008 7:17:25 PM PDT by Jones_the_King

Knox report From the Firearms Coalition

The Pen is Mightier...and More Dangerous by Jeff Knox

(May 6, 2008) When Steven Barber turned in his midterm creative writing assignment at the University of Virginia's College at Wise (UVA-Wise), he was hoping for a good grade to complement his 3.9 grade point average. Instead, Barber was expelled from school, locked in a mental institution for three days, and had his concealed carry permit revoked.

Barber's fictional story was a first person narrative of a troubled college student consumed by depression, paranoia, drug addiction, and alcoholism as he struggles with one of tragedy's recurrent themes, "To be or not to be." The character progresses through fear, anger, and despair; sleeping with a gun under his pillow after the Virginia Tech massacre, contemplating the murder of an unpleasant professor, and finally deciding on suicide. The entire story is just contemplation – no characters, real or fictional were harmed in the telling of the story – and Barber himself is nothing like the character he described.

But Barber's professor, Christopher Scalia, son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and some of the class members were uncomfortable with the story. No one complained about another student's paper which included violent, bloody murder, but that carnage was carried out with a knife while Barber's character had a gun. Perhaps someone in the class knew that Barber owned guns and feared that the character in the story represented its author's secret desires. Whatever their motivation, their concerns were shared with the college administration who decided to involve the campus police. Within 24 hours of sharing his writing project, Barber was confronted by campus police who questioned him about his frame of mind, searched his person and his room, and asked him about weapons. Barber, believing he had Virginia law on his side, admitted that he did have three pistols locked in his car whereupon the police searched the car and confiscated the guns.

A Navy veteran and Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit holder, Barber cooperated with the police and administration through all of the searches and questions even when they took him into custody and transported him to a mental hospital for three days of evaluation. After three days of questions, group therapy, tests, and more questions, Barber was given a clean bill of health and released on his own recognizance. Meanwhile his Concealed Weapons Permit had been revoked and he was expelled from the university.

Eventually the guns were turned over to Barber's father, but his appeal of the expulsion was denied and even though the prosecutor who rushed through an emergency revocation of the concealed carry permit admits that it was based on faulty information, Barber has not been able to get it reinstated. The prosecutor says that he based his request for the permit revocation on information from the campus police stating that Barber had been "involuntarily committed" when in fact he had simply been detained for observation and evaluation. Such a detention is not lawful grounds for the revocation of a permit, especially when the evaluation results in a clean bill of health. When questioned about the error, the prosecutor laid the blame on the campus police for using the wrong terminology, but went on to say that he intended to find some other mechanism to justify his actions and insure that Barber's permit is not restored.

There is no question that Barber violated school policy by having firearms in his locked car on campus, but he broke no laws. There is some disagreement about a college or university's right to prohibit firearms, particularly in locked cars. Virginia law forbids any government agency or entity from restricting firearms – even within the State Capitol – but makes an exception for colleges and universities to apply restrictions to staff and students. Barber contends that those restrictions can not extend to a locked car on campus whether it belongs to a student or not, but so far that contention has fallen on deaf ears. Barber would like to hire an attorney to challenge the school's position, regain admission to the university, and recoup his lost credit hours. He also needs an attorney to help him get his carry permit back, but the cost involved for these endeavors is beyond Barber's ability to manage and no offer of assistance has been forthcoming from any of the organizations with the wherewithal to provide it.

At this point Barber is working to pay off the unexpectedly due student loans for the education that was unexpectedly preempted and considering reenlisting in the Navy to help get his life back on track. He is hopeful that he will eventually be able to recover his carry permit, but has all but given up hope of forcing the school to reinstate him. It is simply tragic that this young man's future has been derailed all because he wrote a story that was just a little too compelling for an education system which believes tools instigate actions rather than the other way around.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; armedcitizen; banglist; barber; ccw; freespeech; guns; highereducation; uva; uvawise
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So it seems that the school not only lied to the Attorney General about Barber being involuntarily committed, but they also failed to act on a student who wrote a much worse story. I don't know about you all, but I think a story about a person who actually kills someone is a lot more frightening than a story about a person who contemplates killing someone and then decides not to and to kill himself instead. Both stories are fictional and both involve violence(though only one actually contains violence), but it looks like they only decided to act on the person who had controversy with the school. I'm really awestruck by these unreasonable and obviously agenda lead actions of my former school. Its just as Barber put it in another news article: "... a culture of fear has displaced rational thought."
1 posted on 05/21/2008 7:17:25 PM PDT by Jones_the_King
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To: Jones_the_King
But Barber's professor, Christopher Scalia, son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and some of the class members were uncomfortable with the story.

What's that expression, the acorn does not fall far from the oak tree.

2 posted on 05/21/2008 7:25:07 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Jones_the_King
...the prosecutor laid the blame on the campus police for using the wrong terminology, but went on to say that he intended to find some other mechanism to justify his actions and insure that Barber's permit is not restored.

One question:

Why isn't the the ACLU all over this?

Given the statements of the prosecutor and other evidence, this case is a slam dunk.
I am disgusted beyond words.

3 posted on 05/21/2008 7:26:22 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The secret of Life is letting go. The secret of Love is letting it show.)
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To: Jones_the_King

If this guy had done something stupid (similar to what was outlined in his paper), the media would be running 24/7 stories about how the authorities missed several clues, blah, blah and the university might well face considerable legal issues.

Lest we forget - there were similar questions about Cho (isn’t that his name) and his essays after the VTech killings.

That being said, I used to teach writing and English at a leading public univ. Departments and senior professors, in general, always asked us to watch out for threats of violence in student papers. If we saw disturbing patterns (and I saw none personally), the department would escalate this to the counseling services and campus police quite promptly.


4 posted on 05/21/2008 7:28:11 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Jones_the_King

I feel really bad for him. Really bad!
This is a typical example of government style justice: turn a blind eye and allow criminals to run rampant, while using the heavy hand of the law on the innocent.


5 posted on 05/21/2008 7:36:47 PM PDT by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Joe Brower

6 posted on 05/21/2008 7:40:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Fox_Mulder77

If I were he, the first thing I would do is get in touch with the NRA.

Screw the ACLU.


7 posted on 05/21/2008 7:43:39 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: Jones_the_King
The actions of the school and government were completely foreseeable . Not justified , but foreseeable enough to make one question Mr. Barber's motivations . The last time I wondered about a gun owner's failure to exercise common sense I was sharply criticized here as not being supportive of heroes setting up a test case . Well there are plenty of Constitutional issues here , so have fun but remember hard cases often make bad law .
8 posted on 05/21/2008 7:47:43 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Jones_the_King
A Navy veteran and Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit holder, Barber cooperated with the police and administration through all of the searches and questions even when they took him into custody and transported him to a mental hospital for three days of evaluation

DO NOT TALK TO INVESTIGATORS! EVER! FOR ANY REASON!

http://media.regent.edu/lawPreview/031408_DontTalktoPolice.wmv

Best regards,

9 posted on 05/21/2008 8:11:37 PM PDT by Copernicus (California Grandmother view on Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Jones_the_King
Part II- Do NOT Talk to Investigators! Ever! For ANY reason! ESPECIALLY if you want to help their investigation!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2014431/posts

Best regards,

10 posted on 05/21/2008 8:17:24 PM PDT by Copernicus (California Grandmother view on Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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But Barber's professor, Christopher Scalia, son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and some of the class members were uncomfortable with the story.

What's that expression, the acorn does not fall far from the oak tree.

Perhaps the acorn can bounce and roll quite a distance, however, after it has fallen.

11 posted on 05/21/2008 8:18:00 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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I think DaveLR’s point was that Scalia has never been afraid to expand government power in his decisions, even though he considers himself a strict constructionist (he’s not.)

I’m PRETTY SURE the Founders (or most of the important ones) would have found checkpoints and other things Scalia has seemed to support a gross violation worthy of armed response.


12 posted on 05/21/2008 8:32:26 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Jones_the_King

He has regained admission to the university. In January they sent him a letter.

There’s a more cpmplete story about this somewhere on the net. I have read it recently.


13 posted on 05/21/2008 9:45:20 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Copernicus

Excellent video, thanks for posting the link.


14 posted on 05/21/2008 11:11:28 PM PDT by JOAT
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It's worthy of note that if this fellow was half the psycho they think he is, he would have already gone postal on the whole lot of these cowards who, through their ignorance and arrogance, have caused him so much grief.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

15 posted on 05/22/2008 4:55:54 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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The irony of this is that he has lost his permit, and been kicked out of school, but after three days of evaluation has been declared SANE.

He has something most do not, the papers to prove he isn't nuts, and they will not reinstate him?

Who is crazy (paranoid) now?

16 posted on 05/22/2008 5:04:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Jones_the_King
If I were he I'd contact the Rutherford Institute. They live for cases like this. NRA is too busy with the elections.
17 posted on 05/22/2008 5:06:53 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: JOAT
Excellent video, thanks for posting the link.

Glad to be of any help. For people who value "tactical" and "situational" awareness some of us RKBA types can be pretty naive with "societal" and "cultural" awarenes.

We must learn "best practices" when we present a "diverse"point of view over the roar of the Bosheviks.

Best regards,

18 posted on 05/22/2008 5:41:30 AM PDT by Copernicus (California Grandmother view on Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: Jones_the_King
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Just not enough... There's no one at FR who is more pro-gun than I (tho' there are many as pro-gun), but it bugs me just as much when the "pro-gun" angle story teller leaves out critical information just as much as it does when the "anti-gun" side does it.

The second writer's story was clearly fiction. Barber's story was fiction, but too close to reality. Even Barber admits that he should not have written it the way he did. In no "pro-gun" writing of this incident have I ever been informed that in Barber's story, the professor that the character was contemplating killing was a creative writing professor identified as "Mr. Christopher."

I'm definitely sympathetic to Mr. Barber, and I think the school overreacted and he should be reinstated. But I also think that creative writing assistant professor Christopher Scalia and his students has cause to be a bit alarmed.

19 posted on 05/22/2008 5:48:33 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Jones_the_King

One hopes that he, with the NRA’s backing, sues EVERYONE involved in this fiasco. The professor, the school, the police, and the attorney general. He could probably make enough to retire.


20 posted on 05/22/2008 6:32:21 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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