Posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by LeGrande
"The raid - resulting in the largest child custody case in American history - was based on a lie."
"Police traced the calls to 33-year-old Colorado Springs woman named Rozita Swinton. Swinton had earlier been arrested for making a false report, and accused of posing as "Jennifer," 16, who called 911 to report that her father had locked her in a basement for days. Swinton may also have posed as thirteen-year-old Dana Anderson, who was being sexually abused by her pastor and raped by her father. There is no evidence that Sarah, Jennifer, or Dana exist. Swinton remains a "person of interest" in the case, but has not been charged in connection to the raid. "
[You sexual deviants don’t seem to understand the difference between dunking someone to determine guilt or innocence or presenting evidence in a court of law.
My fondest desire is that someday you get what you so fervently want others to get. ]
Megadittos to you bucko. Perhaps law enforcement should follow your model and look the other way when you need defending because the legal constraints are so onerous that they can’t be met. That seems to be your model for the FLDS.
And thanks for repeatedly calling me a “sexual deviant” and a “cabalist” and various other assorted “emotional” epithets. They show how surprisingly “emotional” and “hate filled” you yourself are, it’s one of those projection syndrome things I believe.
Actually I had to do that to find that many of the lynch mob. All I had to do to get the list of the constitutional defenders was the post on the appeals decison. Obviously it isn't a scientific survey but it was eye opening.
It seemed to me there were many more in the lynch mob- I guess they were just louder and meaner! Your numbers give me more hope for this country.
Except for me (I don't mind calling a spade a spade) most of the defenders where polite and thoughtful. The vehemence of the lynch Mob is astounding. Turning up the volume and shouting down your opponents is an effective tool.
[Why don’t you take your sick little perversions elsewhere? Posting those pictures and accusing us won’t work. We are onto you. ]
Now who’s getting “hysterical” and “emotional”????
My how you do spin. Warren Jeffs is a jailed pervert. He starts an entire commune based on Mormon traditions stemming back to Joseph Smith which are a cornucopia of “sick little perversions”. These perversions are documented in books and victim testimonies spanning the entire 150 years.
Your side repeatedly says there are no proofs of these perversions, no inkling whatsoever, not a scrap of evidence.
I provide a compelling visual that paints a disturbing verification of what is going on and you all go ballistic, because you can’t sweep this one under the rug. So, instead of attacking the perversions of the Jeffs led FLDS, you have to attack me and call me a pervert, even though I’m the one arguing to shut the FLDS down. Spin like that is quite the devil’s handiwork - accuse the messenger and then lynch him, projection at its best.
Wrapping yourselves in the Flag as “Freedom Lovers” to protect Warren Jeffs isn’t going to sit well when you are judged at the pearly gates. But oh, I forgot, you are an atheist.
Posting what pictures? Did you have something in mind perhaps?
[It seemed to me there were many more in the lynch mob]
I think you mean the lynch mob, cabal, hysterical, emotional, bigoted, nasty, mean, sexual pervert, butthole, pigs to be hosed down.
But of course, nothing is ever personal on your side of “Freedom Lovers”, especially when you want to shut down the Freedom of speech of others with differing views. Just wrap yourself in the flag and flail away, because you are the righteous ones.
They are not property. Their "family" doesn't "own" them. The F(lds) is just another private corporation, nothing more, but it has no right to own anyone.
I know you folks don't want to talk about the children having rights but they do.
You'll have to come up with another word if you expect anyone here to understand what you're saying.
Again you are misguided and confused. Law enforcement doesn't defend anyone, they simply prosecute, but I wouldn't presume to think that you could understand the difference.
And thanks for repeatedly calling me a “sexual deviant” and a “cabalist” and various other assorted “emotional” epithets. They show how surprisingly “emotional” and “hate filled” you yourself are, it’s one of those projection syndrome things I believe.
I didn't post the sexually deviant pictures, you did. That makes you a pervert. What kind of sick twisted individual goes looking for pictures like that? Lets see, FastCoyote does and that makes you and DannyTN perverts. Unlike you, I use facts not emotion.
“Some of these guys sound like the pedophiles who used to glom onto any story over at AOL.com that involved young girls.”
You know, I can even understand making the legal argument that CPS should proceed by the book, but that isn’t what is going on here. There is a pretty concerted effort to protect Warren Jeffs as well as ram Mormonism down our throats with the ecumenical threads. I think people are pretty naive about what enforcers are like on the LDS side, they become quite Danite-like in defending the Faith, even someone like Jeffs.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/SAL_BHAT.HTM
John Hathorne
John Hathorne was born on August 5 1641 in Salem to William Hathorne and Anne Smith. Hathorne, the son of a successful farmer, became a noted Salem merchant and a politician. Hathorne’s political skills won him a position as justice of the peace and county judge. A very religious man, Hathorne served on a committee to find a replacement for Salem minister George Burroughs in 1686. He later sentenced Burroughs to death in the 1692 witch trials. Hathorne believed the devil could use witches to undermine the purpose of the church and do harm to people. Because of this belief, Hathorne and another justice of the peace, Jonathan Corwin, took very seriously complaints about suspected witches. Both immediately issued warrants for Sarah Good, Sarah Osborne, and Tituba when witchcraft accusations were made against them. As justices of the peace, Hathorne and Corwin conducted initial examinations of the suspected witches. Hathorne often appeared to act more as a prosecutor than an impartial inquisitioner. Consider this exchange during the Bridget Bishop examination:
Hathorne: How do you know that you are not a witch?
Bishop: I do not know what you say. . .I know nothing of it.
Hathorne: Why look you, you are taken now in a flat lye.
You’re here again defending the state and CPS?
Hmmm...
Look at posts 126 and 128 and read their comments and responses. Do you agree with your comrades claims?
BTW, one does not necessarily defend the state when attacking the evil done by groups like F(lds).
At the same time, you are not attacking the state when you support the privileges of F(lds) to abuse children.
I never discouraged freedom of speech of anyone on these threads- show me where I ever did that. The lynch mob posters were the ones trying to shut down freedom of speech. Their mode was to viciously attack anyone that questioned any part of this or did not agree with them 100% on every issue. Name calling was a favorite- many posters who have been here a long time and have shown themselves to be decent people- were repeatedly call child rapists or supporters of child rape. Is that ok with you?
But, enough on that.
No, the kids were not "scared".
So, they took a narrow legalistic point of view and got fish slapped.
That's perfectly fair.
I think they're much more informed now.
Nice post.
I'm not for polygamy or adultery. But if you want to define what was going on with the LDS as "polygamy" then you're going to have start taking children away from a large percentage of Americans because millions practice "polygamy". It's not called that, but guy routinely sleep with multiple women. Sometimes they're married, sometimes not. The only difference is that the flds has called it legitimate behavior and formalized it. In both cases it's not marriage recognized by any legal authority.
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