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Texas Polygamy Case Based on a Lie
LiveScience.com ^ | Thu May 22, 5:50 PM ET | Benjamin Radford

Posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by LeGrande

"The raid ­- resulting in the largest child custody case in American history - was based on a lie."

"Police traced the calls to 33-year-old Colorado Springs woman named Rozita Swinton. Swinton had earlier been arrested for making a false report, and accused of posing as "Jennifer," 16, who called 911 to report that her father had locked her in a basement for days. Swinton may also have posed as thirteen-year-old Dana Anderson, who was being sexually abused by her pastor and raped by her father. There is no evidence that Sarah, Jennifer, or Dana exist. Swinton remains a "person of interest" in the case, but has not been charged in connection to the raid. "


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To: LeGrande
"Why would you send me a picture like that?"

I just posted the picture on the thread so that the FLDS apologists could see what they were defending.

And in hopes that the Mormons would think about what kind of man their prophet was since this is what Joseph Smith did too and realize their religion is a mixture of truth and lies.

I posted it to you only because you started the thread.

221 posted on 05/24/2008 3:19:56 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I just posted the picture on the thread so that the FLDS apologists could see what they were defending.

Would you like to point out a single apologist?

And in hopes that the Mormons would think about what kind of man their prophet was since this is what Joseph Smith did too and realize their religion is a mixture of truth and lies.

Do you have any evidence that Joseph Smith was a polygamist? If you do I am sure that FastCoyote, colorcountry and many other members of your cabal would love to see it because I have pounded them into submission on that particular little topic.

I posted it to you only because you started the thread.

What you really mean is that you couldn't find any FLDS apologists and thought I was the next best thing.

Did you see the beating that I gave FastCoyote, because he posted that picture to me? Do you want the same?

Run along little boy, I don't suffer idiots gladly.

222 posted on 05/24/2008 4:11:45 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
Seems like Warren Jeff is Joseph Smith's true disciple. After all here is a list of Joseph Smith's wives, including two 14 year olds, and a pair of sisters that supposedly didn't know they had both married the same guy until afterwards.
Wife Date Age Husband*
Emma Hale
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
Jan 1827
1833
1838
Apr 1841
Oct 1841
Dec 1841
Jan 1842
Feb 1842
Feb 1842
Mar 1842
Apr 1842
Jun 1842
Jun 1842
Jul 1842
Jun 1842
Jul 1842
Aug 1842
Feb 1843
Spring 1843
Mar 1843
Mar 1843
Apr 1843
May 1843
May 1843
May 1843
May 1843
Mid 1843
Jun 1843
Jun 1843
Jul 1843
Mid 1843
Sep 1843
1843
Nov 1843
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16
37
26
20
31
33
23
23
47
27
50
53
37
38
17
37
33
16
19
22
30
17
17
19
14
29
29
58
32
27
19
14
56
NONE
NONE
George W. Harris
NONE
Henry Jacobs
Norman Buell
NONE
Windsor Lyon
Adam Lightner
David Sessions
Orson Hyde
Jabez Durfee
John Cleveland
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
Edward Sayers
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
Jonathan Holmes
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
* Living Husband at the time of
   Marriage to Joseph Smith
    References
Source: Wives of Joseph Smith.org

223 posted on 05/24/2008 4:23:57 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Provide a single contemporaneous verifiable reference to any of Joseph Smiths "wives."

I get tired of dealing with idiots like you. You think because you find a nice anti Mormon source that makes something true? LOL

And what relevance does any of this have to do with the CPS breaking the law?

225 posted on 05/24/2008 4:37:25 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Awestruck
Try this on for size, hotshot!

The Primer---Helping Victims of Domestic Violence and Child Abuse in Polygamous Communities

I suggest that you read it very carefully since this publication has been jointly released by the Attorneys General of BOTH Utah and Arizona. It doesn't get much more authoritative than this.

226 posted on 05/24/2008 5:11:02 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Awestruck

Hey bub, you ever heard of “Bleeding the Beast”?


227 posted on 05/24/2008 5:13:34 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: LeGrande
It was precisely emotional people like you, Virginia Ridgerunner, who screwed up in Waco, Duke, Ruby Ridge, Scotts, Mcmartin, etc.

I laugh at your puny attempts at baiting me into a banning.


228 posted on 05/24/2008 5:18:00 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: DannyTN
ROFLMAO. I nominate Legrande for the least believable comment of the year.

This is your evidence? You are even more pathetic than I thought. Run along and quit wasting my time. And don't ever send me any more of your sick twisted porn you pervert.

I gave you fair warning.

229 posted on 05/24/2008 5:22:19 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I laugh at your puny attempts at baiting me into a banning.

Who wants you banned? I enjoy having practice dummies around, it is hard to make a point without having people like you to point to.

230 posted on 05/24/2008 5:27:29 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; SENTINEL; metmom; FastCoyote; Tennessee Nana
Do you have any evidence that Joseph Smith was a polygamist? If you do I am sure that FastCoyote, colorcountry and many other members of your cabal would love to see it because I have pounded them into submission on that particular little topic.

Wow, you really are getting delusions of grandeur now aren't you?

As for Joe Smith's polygamy, you really are behind times:

The Wives of Joseph Smith

Also, you obviously haven't read Doctrines and Covenants lately, have you? The whole sordid polygamy story is in there.

231 posted on 05/24/2008 5:37:22 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Utah Girl

The pictures were entered into evidence on Friday in the custody hearing for Richard Joseph Jessop, born last week to Louisa Bradshaw (Jessop) and her husband, Dan Jessop. The state is seeking custody of the baby.

And the use and release of these obviously disturbing images by the State is another example of the depths to which the State of Texas has sunk in this case. First off, if the pictures depict what they appear to, and the additional acts the State is alleging or suggesting occurred, then the State of Texas has disclosed the identity of a minor victim of sexual assault. I'm not familiar with Texas law enough to know if that is illegal or not, but in every state I am familiar with minor children who are victims of sexual assault are never publicly identified -- and pictures are never made available to the press. In this case the State of Texas apparently chose to enter the photos into evidence - without putting them under seal - and released sufficient information in open court (as well as the photos) to identify the girl pictured in the photographs. Moreover they did it in a case where the photograph is only of minor evidentiary weight.

The custody hearing that the State disclosed the photos in does not concern the man or the girl pictured in the photographs. Instead, the girl in the photograp is allegedly the sister of Dan Jessup - the father of the week old baby boy who is the subject of the custody hearing. Assuming that the young girl pictured was a victim of sexual abuse, what relevance does that have as to whether or not her brother and his wife are fit to parent their baby boy? There is no logical connection, and no inference which can be drawn as to what Dan Jessup and his wife would do with their son.

Put another way, if your sister, or sister in law is the victim of a crime that you are in no way involved with how does that affect your ability to be a parent? In an ordinary case, without the government theatrics we are seeing here, can you really imagine an attorney arguing in court that because your sister was sexually assaulted that somehow your home and family presented an imminent danger to your newborn baby?

What I see in the release of these obviously disturbing photographs by the State of Texas is callous disregard for the young girl, and the willingness to use whatever damaging images they can to impugn people involved in the custody cases before them. Remember - the only relationship between the pictures and the couple whose parental rights are being litigated is that the victim in the pictures is the sister of Dan Jessop, the father in the litigation.

233 posted on 05/24/2008 5:51:49 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Do you have any contemporaneous evidence? Or with all of those wives JS must have thousands of polygamous descendants? Where are they? All you would need is one little DNA test.

This really gets tedious. You Cabal members think that just because you repeat lies that it somehow miraculously makes them true. I will let you in on a little secret, it just makes you a liar.

Also, you obviously haven't read Doctrines and Covenants lately, have you? The whole sordid polygamy story is in there.

Hmm, I haven't even held the book in my hand for at least 20 years and I have no idea how many years before that when I had last read it. But that is OK, I am more familiar with the D&C than you will ever be. Do you think that the D&C says that JS was a practicing polygamist? LOL

I have names for many of you cabal members, how do you like the name Goebbels? Maybe you can come up with a better one.

234 posted on 05/24/2008 6:00:38 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande; 1000 silverlings; Alice in Wonderland; aMorePerfectUnion; ansel12; bonfire; brytlea; ...
If you do I am sure that FastCoyote, colorcountry and many other members of your cabal would love to see it because I have pounded them into submission on that particular little topic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!

In your dreams.

Only.....

235 posted on 05/24/2008 6:06:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande

Oh? Has this been determined to be a fact in a court of law through evidence presented to a jury?

Is not the lady who allegedly made this call to be presumed innocent until proved guilty?

People are convicting her based on her past history, which shouldn’t even be allowed in her trial on this particular case.

Why are people so willing to deny her due process when they are screaming about it when they think that the cultists due process is being violated?

The cult defenders are showing their hypocrisy in the double standard applied to people at random depending on which side of the debate they fall on.


236 posted on 05/24/2008 6:17:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande

I have pounded them into submission on that particular little topic

Snort (coffee coming out my nose)
LOL LOL
C ant ke ep typi ng laugh ong to mu ch.....lolololololol


237 posted on 05/24/2008 6:22:28 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: freeandfreezing

callous disregard for the young girl,
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The “young girl” is now in her 20s, is aware of the pics, and has escaped from the cult...

She has written a book, “Stolen Innocence” and willing helps to rescue other girls...

And is helping with the girls from this compound..


238 posted on 05/24/2008 6:23:25 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

To whom it may concern, let’s not make it personal.


239 posted on 05/24/2008 6:24:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: LeGrande

The CPS abducted and detained adult women, one of them was a 27 year old women who provided a drivers license and birth certificate that proved that she was 27 years old.
________________________________________________

Some of the women said that they were minors so that they could stay away from the compound...

and with the children...


240 posted on 05/24/2008 6:26:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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