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To: hadit2here
You are living in a libertarian dream world. Aren't they chiefly concerned with legal dope?

If there are several little girls walking around pregnant, not going to high school, in a gated commune, it's suspicious enough to investigate. If you have an open container in a car, they can investigate.

This is a farm for sex slaves, not the Shakers.

83 posted on 05/23/2008 3:35:19 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Hankering after a harem?)
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To: Mamzelle
You are living in a libertarian dream world. Aren't they chiefly concerned with legal dope?

Nope, I'm living in the United States of America, a Constitutional Republic governed by our Constitution and laws. What color is the sky on the world that you live on? And your comments on libertarians and "legal dope" again illustrate just how encyclopedic your ignorance is. (Try learning the first rule of holes, at least.)

If there are several little girls walking around pregnant, not going to high school, in a gated commune, it's suspicious enough to investigate.

No it's not. There are thousands of pregnant underage girls walking around in the US. It's not exclusive to FLDS, Texas or even the U.S.

Ever heard of "homeschooling"? It isn't a crime not to be going to "high school".

I live within a few minutes drive of thousands of houses in a gated "community". They like it for for their security. It's not illegal. Nor is being in a "commune". Again, I'd admonish you to read the US Constitution. Nothing you have described, based solely upon fantasies put out by the news media and believed hook line and sinker by mental midgets like you, is "suspicious enough to investigate". However, if some legal authority wants to investigate, they must do so by following the laws and the Constitution without abridging the rights of those that are being "investigated".

If you have an open container in a car, they can investigate.

While they may be able to investigate, they have to do it according to all laws and rules, just the same as everyone else. If they don't follow the laws, then their "investigation" will be thrown out of court, just as this illegal "investigation" has. A bank of judges reviewed the facts and information in the case and UNANIMOUSLY ruled that it was illegal. Not one dissent. And I'm sure that the Texas Supreme Court will rule the same way. No evidence, don't follow the rules, out goes your "investigation" and all the results of it. That's how "innocent until proven guilty" works in this country. How do they do it in yours?

This is a farm for sex slaves, not the Shakers.

And you have exactly what facts to back this little piece of slander up? Oh, that's right, you have the news media's fantasies to prove it all to you. No need for due process, innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for you. Again, what color is the sky on your world?

I'm really torn between wondering whether you are using projection, denial or reaction formation to so distort your reality. But, I suppose it is actually a combination of all three.

You see, Projection is a defense mechanism. Defense mechanisms are unconscious psychological mechanisms that protect us from feelings that we cannot consciously accept- unconsciously projecting one's own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn't have to own them. You project the feelings you have onto someone or some other group, and then can villify those others for those things which you actually want or subconsiously desire.

For example, if you had uncomfortable feelings of wanting to be a little girl and have sex with older men- that is socially unacceptable, but projecting it onto others gives you the vicarious enjoyment that you couldn't get in a socially acceptable way. One would see this in someone who desperately wanted to have to have sex with older men or who felt they weren't loved by the older men in their life. So projection will defend against these "unacceptable" feelings. Have you been so unloved by the men in your life that you are so obsessed with vilifying so badly the FLDS women and men? Your, and others, vehemence in name calling and unfounded accusations is frightening.

We see projection very often in the liberal anti-gunners who see everyone else in the world as uncontrolled fiends who would kill everyone if they got their hands on a gun, projecting their own fear of their lack of control on everyone else. You know, the "blood running in the streets if everyone had guns" type of statements.

Denial is another defense mechanism that is simply refusing to accept the reality of a given situation. Couldn't these people actually be God-fearing, moral persons who don't like the way society has descended, and wish to live unpolluted lives away from what they see as immoral? You can't accept that anyone would want to do this, so you will deny that they are such and label them as "a farm for sex slaves", again projecting your unacceptable desires on an external group.

Reaction formation occurs when a person's mind turns an unacceptable feeling or desire into its complete opposite. Often such people who have guilty or socially unacceptable desires will "project" those desires onto others (projection above), and then assume such an all consuming hatred of the others, even cloaking themselves in other "higher", more spiritual disciplines and believe that they are "superior" to "less civilized" folks who engage in the "guilty" behavior. This not only allows the person to avoid dealing with his/her rage or guilt, it allows him/her actually to vilify the people s/he hates without having to know s/he hates them, and to force his/her beliefs on those others by force or societal pressure. We see this in strident, angry vegetarian who wants to ban meat and force all others by way of passing laws and societal conventions to conform to the way they think is "right".

Your strident use of terms such as "a farm for sex slaves" or "nasty old men" and "horny old goats" for vilification of the FLDS says a lot more about YOUR deep seated psychological processes to me than it does about them. At least to anyone trained in psychology it would.

The more strong the language, the nastier the terms used, the more guilt and more deep seated rage or desires are indicated. Based on the language you use and the unfounded comments that you spout as facts, you should really get some professional help - soon.

Ad hominem attacks, name calling and associating others with societally unapproved drugs just show your lack of mature, rational thought processes and inability to handle your own deep-seated feelings and rage when someone points out errors in your thought processes. Good luck with therapy.

96 posted on 05/23/2008 6:42:59 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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