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To: LeGrande
I have abstained from these threads because they are so vitriolic. But I must comment.

I agree with some of your comments..some others..not so much.

The Texas CPS has had to deal with some very high level cases. A child locked in a closet for years, five children drowned in a bathtub, a mother bashing her children's head in with a rock and a mother cutting her baby's arms off..just too mention a few. And every time, the media screams..where was CPS??? So, I guess in the arm chair quarterbacking world they may or not be wrong. I don't believe these folks that work at thankless, low paying jobs have rushed in to insure their “job security”. The system, sadly is overloaded as it is.

I certainly agree that FLDS played them like a fiddle.

The analogy that comes to mind is that people think that terrorists are sitting in caves eating beetles. They are not smart. That because these folks dress and act like they are living in the 1800’s they think in that manner. Not too smart. But they know the ropes. This group has eluded prosecution for a long time. (With the exception of Warren Jeffs.)

I feel like the DNA will be muddled do to intermarriage, the “old guys” have already split, the remaining people will be uncooperative and the media will do the rest. I guess there is no way there could be false I.D.s or birth certificates?? That doesn't happen. /s

The references to Waco are getting old...that was federal..and there was pr oven evidence of child abuse. I don't think you have said that...but those that need to review the case.

I don't let my emotions rule. In a normal case of child abuse, an anonymous phone call is the trigger. The investigation follows.All the children in a potentially dangerous situation are removed. The investigation follows. This was very out of the ordinary. How did they know who to remove?

99 posted on 05/23/2008 8:52:51 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
re: I certainly agree that FLDS played them like a fidd)))

It could well be. Probably the locals were frustrated at needing an angle to go after what they knew was going on under their noses. The managers of this slave trade seemed to have lawyered up and told enough lies at the beginning of their commune development--a "hunting camp"--and they seem to have a lavish stash of cash. Somebody knows how to work the system.

Probably a lot like American Gypsies (the Rom) who can work a short con and a long con and thwarting LE with pure genius and high artfulness-- But authorities have commited a lot of resources, and there's no going back.

101 posted on 05/23/2008 9:20:56 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: berdie
I don't let my emotions rule. In a normal case of child abuse, an anonymous phone call is the trigger. The investigation follows.All the children in a potentially dangerous situation are removed. The investigation follows. This was very out of the ordinary. How did they know who to remove?

I try not to let my emotions rule either. CPS was correct in going in and looking for Sarah. When they didn't find her and they knew that Jessops (I might have the wrong name it is getting late) was in Arizona. The should have left and began a more detailed background investigation. They could have had agents at the compound for weeks looking for Sarah and interviewing people. Camaras, identification, relationships, DNA, etc. etc. etc. and they had a reasonable justification. No one could fault them if they had done that. And if they never found Sarah they could use that as a justification to start searching and investigating all of the FLDS compounds.

Instead of it being a nightmare for the CPS, it would have been a nightmare for the FLDS. Enforcing the laws fairly, reasonably and impartially makes all the difference.

Someone panicked in the CPS and screwed up big time. When they started kidnapping adults, they went way over the line. Someone at the CPS thinks that they are judge, jury and executioner. That person needs to spend some time in a gray cell rethinking taking the law into their own hands.

102 posted on 05/23/2008 9:49:40 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: berdie
But they know the ropes. This group has eluded prosecution for a long time.

Well, that's been my point all along. Warren Jeffs and "Big Willie" and Merill Jessup (and their forebearers) have set up a slick criminal enterprise in which their polygamy and mind control over their women and children exist in a very grey area of the law that makes prosecuting the "dirty old men" here extremely difficult since none of the victims are cooperative and refuse to testify against the perps.

The cult needs to be broken up, and all the perps rounded up and imprisoned, but doing that is a tall order because of the frustratingly complex family relationships built by Jeffs during his big shell game, which was designed to skirt the law.

106 posted on 05/24/2008 4:32:56 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: berdie; LeGrande; All
I'm late to this thread (Saturday afternoon) and was just going to read through without comment. However, certain of your statements are so egregiously wrong they require a response:

re: The references to Waco are getting old... that was federal...

Whatever "freshness" you personally demand for references is irrelevant. The underlying foundational principles of our Constitutional Republic which were flouted, attacked and savaged by our own government, both federal AND state, at Waco are always relevant AND timeless, whether you like it or not.

re: ...and there was proven evidence of child abuse. I don't think you have said that...

This statement is flatly untrue.

...but those that [do say this] need to review the case.

Unfortunately, it is you who needs more study of that incident... your knowledge is sadly deficient.

The consideration and discussion of the events at Waco in comparison to this recent incident regarding the Texas FLDS is entirely apropos.

197 posted on 05/24/2008 11:13:34 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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