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Message to the GOP: Obama is not the problem
The Hill ^ | 05-22-08 | Richard Viguerie

Posted on 06/06/2008 12:00:18 PM PDT by StilettoRaksha

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To: StilettoRaksha
This election should be a slam-dunk for the Republicans to win. All they need is a coherent strategy of telling the truth of what everybody can see as plainly as the nose on our face.

Oh, wait. This is the GOP we are talking about here. They are as clueless and incompetent as the average Democrat voter. Never mind.

We're screwed - especially as McCain-Feingold shuts up we pesky proles within 60 days of the November Election.

The game is rigged.

Totally.

Against us.

81 posted on 06/06/2008 4:08:06 PM PDT by Gritty (The GOP has lost its purpose by losing its principles and has turned Democrat-lite - Bob Lonsberry)
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To: hoyaloya

“You’ve amassed 50 this week, most bashing McCain and “moderate” Republicans. ... your position is defeatist and boring.”
Yes, it is.

This article is about the need for positive and constructive messages. If you cant come up with positive and constructive messages of your own, the circular firing squad is pointless.


82 posted on 06/06/2008 4:08:43 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: NormsRevenge

“We couldn’t have two worst choices if ten times as many people were allowed to vote in primaries without cross-over voting and all the rest of the games that have been played, all with the adoring eyes of a media that can’t report straight news.”

The key word in all your statement is MEDIA.

The MEDIA wanted McCain and the MEDIA wanted Obama (after they fell out of love with Hillary).
The MEDIA won the primary. Conservatives didnt have a clear unifying choice, so the media was able to manipulate us into a McCain victory.

Well, now the Media wants the GOP destroyed and the leftist Democrat Obama and Pelosi/Reid et al. winning.

Solution: ANNOY THE MEDIA. VOTE REPUBLICAN.


83 posted on 06/06/2008 4:12:07 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: AHerald
You know this so-called conservative has never been for me. Back in ‘76 he [Viguerie] and a few of his ilk had me to a secret meeting in which they pushed for me running on a third party ticket. I told them I was going to run as a Republican and that what they proposed just didn’t make sense. That did it for me–I became the enemy. -- Ronald Reagan on Richard Viguerie

Nuff Said. There are Leaders, there are Followers/teamplayers, and there are Cranks. Cranks cant follow and cant lead. I know what Reagan was. What is Viguerie? Look in the mirror, which one are you?

84 posted on 06/06/2008 4:14:20 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: cripplecreek

“It’s too late to start drilling our own oil now. It will take years to even see a difference on the price.”
“It’s never too late but it’s nice to see some realism about how effective starting to drill right now will be. We do need the oil but it won’t be a magic pill. “

OTOH, if Clinton had not vetoed the Republican passage of ANWR drilling 10 years ago, we could be pumping 1 million barrels a day of ANWR oil right about now, which would be worth a cool $30 billion a year! And oil prices would be considerably lower if it were online. Drilling in ANWR will help us get over the oil crises of 2015-2025 that are sure to come as post peak oil gets more scarce..


85 posted on 06/06/2008 4:17:45 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: WOSG
This article is about the need for positive and constructive messages.

No, this article is about how screwed up the GOP and McCain are; how the GOP remains in denial by running alongside a liberal making every attempt to be as socialist as his competition. It's vile and grotesque. Positives? I guess they're hidden in Bush's 25% approval ratings, because there aren't any positives with the RINO bunch in congress and there sure as hell isn't any with McCain.

86 posted on 06/06/2008 4:18:24 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: moose2004

The Dem plan: Tax, spend, give earmarks and pork to favored friends to fund re-election campaigns from their corrupt giveaways (take it away, trial lawyers!) where they run on class warfare and bashing and blaming Bush and Repubs for everything bad.

And if you think I’m kidding, now that Boxer’s bill was actually *read*, the ugly tax-and-regulate-and-skim-it-for-friends technique, used in the Farm Bill, Energy Bill and a few others, is now out in the open.

Rinse and repeat until the people get sick of it and kick them out and put the GOP back in.

http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!


87 posted on 06/06/2008 4:21:54 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: penowa; AHerald

Viguerie is not speaking Truth. He is speaking Crankiness.

The truth is there are many wonderful, issue-oriented and reform oriented *conservatives* running for election and re-election in *many races* across the nation on the Republican ticket. US Senate seats, House races, and State-level races.

Just because John McCain is not one of them is no reason to bash the GOP whole-hog or throw in the towel.

Help them out!

If you want names in your state, I can name them. Tell me your state and we can work on what candidates are actually *already doing* what Viguerie proposes. Many are!!


88 posted on 06/06/2008 4:25:19 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: Bobkk47

Yes, both parties are beyond repair, and yes, Dr. Thomas Sowell would be a great candidate to head up the needed new reform effort.

But even if he chooses not to head up a new conservative party, Thomas Sowell could help conservatives at least get headed in a new direction. In order to do so he and other conservatives will have to give us new bearings.

Thomas Sowell and other conservatives will have to begin a serious discussion on our economic predicament and current breakdown.

We conservatives should begin with these questions:

WHAT is the Federal Reserve? What is its purpose?

WHO started it? Who benefits from it? Who supported its creation? Who supports it now?

HOW does it operate? How does it create money?

WHY can it create paper money from nothing? Why can they do this without even taking the time or expense to print the moeny they “create”? And why must the American taxpayer pay interest on the money the Fed “loans” the government. We have paid compound interest to the Fed ever since it was created in 1913. By now our taxpayers owe the Fed so much money it has become mathematically impossible for us to pay it off. This is why we are staggering under the greatest debt-load of any nation, or super-nation, in history.

WHEN did the Fed start? When will it finally bankrupt us, and not only our nation, but probably Western Civilization itself? When will we wake up and fight this?

An articulate, informed Thomas Sowell can, and probably would if asked, help conservatives get back on course and give us new bearing to do so.

We need positive change and to deal with the truth of our present and future trials.

We know the present political farce cannot address this. So we must do it ourselves.


89 posted on 06/06/2008 4:31:19 PM PDT by doxteve
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To: jonrick46
You would think that President Bush, knowing the needs of the oil companies, would have waged a war of words to push the domestic drilling.

The current situation seems to be meeting the needs of the oil companies quite well.

90 posted on 06/06/2008 4:39:31 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

“People are, and will be, angry - very angry.”

We hammered Jimmy Carter hard over this type of economy. Every time we go to the pump or the market prices are up. The GOP ran the show completely between 2002 and 2006. Bush and his party have done little to offset the damage.

Blaming the Democrats and their idiot policies for this may be true and right, but it won’t cut it with anyone outside our orbit. If the situation were reversed with a Democrat president, we’d all be screaming for blood.

November will be a bloodbath.


91 posted on 06/06/2008 6:08:07 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: WOSG

Speaking of fat loud mouth pork:

http://forthardknox.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/congressman-jack-murtha-39976.jpg

http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/murtha_cold_blood.jpg

http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/murtha_1.JPG

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pcfreezone/JihadJackMurtha.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/images/262611/0_61_murtha_jack.jpg


92 posted on 06/06/2008 6:12:25 PM PDT by moose2004 (y)
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To: Moose4
and the Stupid Party won’t listen.

That's because they're an entrenched, old, fat, happy and out of touch corporation.

93 posted on 06/06/2008 6:16:08 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: WOSG
I live in the 18th Congressional District of PA. I have a Republican Congressman, Tim Murphy, hardly a conservative, whose votes on most issues mirror his buddy, John Murtha's, particularly since he's gotten into trouble for using his staff for campaigning and other private duties. I have a Democrat Representative, White, and State Senator, Stout, who are at least as conservative as Murphy and run unopposed. Neither of my Senators, Specter or Casey, are up for re-election, and of course, Casey the Democrat, is to the right of Snarlin' Arlen. Got anybody for me to vote for?

You can call it "crankiness" if it pleases you, but most of us who actually follow politics closely and have been voting conservative and getting a defective product from the Republican party for a long time call what Viguerie says THE TRUTH.

94 posted on 06/06/2008 6:42:33 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa

If you are unhappy with a given GOP incumbent, you can certainly do what i’ve done and that is support a more conservative opponent. I gave money to Toomey to take on Specter even though I’m in Texas.

As for Rep Tim Murphy, saying he is as bad a Murtha is absurd:
Murphy
ACU rating was 67%, NARAL 0%, Eagle Forum 95% in 2007, NRA an A-, English First 100%, Family Research council 100%< Chamber of Commerce 93% in 2006, and National Taxpayers Union various from 50-75%.
Murtha
“In 2007 National Taxpayers Union gave Representative Murtha a grade of F.” earlier years 23%. Americans for tax reform 10-20%, they gave Murphy 90%. American Conservative Union 28 percent in 2006, only 8% in 2007.
he AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007, English First 0% in 2006
NARAL 0-50%.

It’s fairly obvious - MURTHA IS A LOT MORE LIBERAL THAN MURPHY. Their votes DONT mirror each other, Murphy is more conservative.

And the claim that far-left Obama-supporting liberal Casey is to the right of Spectre are mindboggling too. Spectre ACU rating is only in the 40% range but that is far above Casey.
CASEY IS HORRIBLE:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=2541
- American Conservative Union 8 percent in 2007.
- Senator Casey supported the interests of the Americans for Prosperity 8 percent in 2007.

More on Tim Murphy:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22974
“Congressman Tim Murphy (R-Pa.) has been a long-time champion of transforming health and healthcare in America. He has been a strong advocate of modernizing healthcare through information technology, and he has been a true leader on improving patient safety. And the recent scare of drug-resistant staph infection in hundreds of communities across the country shows that Congressman Murphy is a leader that more members of Congress should listen to.”
Newt says he deserve congratulations for a good idea bill on healthy hospitals. Sounds good to me, too.

Progressives and leftists hate him:
http://democracyforamerica.com/blog_posts/19850

http://progressivepatriots.com/house/MurphyPA18.html
“A score of 67 means that Representative Murphy has acted to support 67% of a slate of conservative, wrongheaded policies in the 110th Congress.”

The other awful thing Muphy did according to the progressives was that he didnt support abortion: “A bedrock principle of American progressivism is the right of the individual to self-determination. ... H.R. 1964 defends individual autonomy with the declaration that “It is the policy of the United States that every woman has the fundamental right to choose to bear a child, to terminate a pregnancy prior to fetal viability, or to terminate a pregnancy after fetal viability when necessary to protect the life or health of the woman,” ... Tim Murphy has to date failed to support this bill through cosponsorship.”

What do you do about this?
First, calibrate yourself to reality. Claiming or thinking that far-left democrats like Casey and earmark pork-barrel partisan Dems like Murtha are no different than moderate Republicans is not ‘The Truth’.

Second, and I have said this repeatedly, SUPPORT CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES. Yes, there are several in your state of Pennsylvania.

The other Murphy, Patrick Murphy, won a close race in 2006 in Buck Co PA. He is a Liberal Democrat in a swing district. In 2007 National Taxpayers Union gave Representative Murphy a grade of F.n 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America 100%, American Conservative Union 4 percent in 2007, Americans for Prosperity 0 percent in 2007. VERY LIBERAL!
Tom Manion is a good man who is a genuine conservative Republican you can get behind.

Instead of pissing and moaning about the defective Republicans, work to defeat the far more dangerous and far more defective leftwing Democrats - read more on this Murphy character, a tool of Pelosi and Obama supporter ...
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-04242008-1524024.html

Replace this clowns with good Republican candidates: Tom Manion for Congress!
http://votemanion.stream-data.com/splash.php
http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2008/03/tom-manion/

You can look at all these key races and find a conservative candidate you want to ge tbehind and help him or her:
PA-3 English (R) Likely R Limited Risk Leans R
PA-4 Altmire (D) Leans D Leans D Leans D
PA-6 Gerlach (R) Likely R R Favored Leans R
PA-7 Sestak (D) Likely D Limited Risk Safe D
PA-8 Murphy (D) Likely D D Favored D Favored
PA-10 Carney (D) Leans D Pure Tossup Leans D
PA-11 Kanjorski (D) Likely D D Favored Safe D
PA-15 Dent (R) Safe R Limited Risk R Favored
PA-18 Murphy (R) Likely R R Favored R Favored

OR HELP A CONSERVAITVE IN COLORADO:
“# Colorado’s 4th congressional district: Conservative Marilyn Musgrave (R), known for her staunch opposition to gay marriage, won only after winning a plurality (46%) of the vote against Angie Paccione (D) and a strong Reform Party challenge from Eric Eidsness, who got 11% of the vote. That, along with her 51% showing in 2004 despite George W. Bush winning 58% of the vote in this eastern Colorado district that includes the Fort Collins area (CPVI=R+9), could make her vulnerable in 2008.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_elections,_2008


95 posted on 06/06/2008 9:21:16 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: StilettoRaksha
Facts are fact, Barack Hussein Obama is the apex of the hate-America, domestic enemy in this country. His election as president would be the greatest coup any enemy has ever scored against this country and could easily lead to the worst, horrific disaster in our nation's history.

Scare or fear associated with this is entirely up to the reader...but the fact is, Obama is, as shown by his long term associations, the apex of the hate-America crowd. The Hill can call it whatever it wants, it will not change the fact of it.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

96 posted on 06/06/2008 9:24:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Luke21

“We hammered Jimmy Carter hard over this type of economy.”

No, we hammered Carter over an economy that was far worse for far longer. In 1980, the misery index was 25%. Inflation was double digits, and we had a real recession and unemployment over 10%. Today unemployment is in the 5% range and misery index is under 10%. We;’ve had respectable 3.5% growth in the time the GOP ran everything, the slowdown has happened since the Democrats took over Congress, but it is not a recession at this time.

“Blaming the Democrats and their idiot policies for this may be true and right, but it won’t cut it with anyone outside our orbit.”

The truth has to be spoken, because if we dont say it, nobody will, and the idea of voting in more anti-energy Democrats to ‘fix’ high energy prices is an absurdity.

“If the situation were reversed with a Democrat president, we’d all be screaming for blood.” If the Democrat was to blame. I dont recall to many of us blaming Clinton for the collapse of the internet bubble for example.


97 posted on 06/06/2008 9:26:07 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: AHerald; StilettoRaksha
He makes some sense, of course, but it's still the same old Viguerie whine. He's a terminal cranky noodge. Everyday is a new doomsday sounding the death knell for Conservatism, all around is betrayal to the True Conservative Cause:

You said nothing in that post to discredit or prove Richard Viguerie wrong.

You cannot deny or fight his assertions so you try to tar and feather the messenger instead of showing the rest of us, using facts and reason, why his assertions are wrong.

Weak and cowardly approach to discussing the issue at hand.
98 posted on 06/06/2008 10:33:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: AHerald; donna
Who said there was anything wrong with that? My criticism of Viguerie is that he's a pompous,uncharitable litmus-stamp extremist, a holier than thou chronic Chicken Little complainer given to over-the-top negativism who habitually paints decent public servants and fellow conservatives as feckless sell-outs and betrayers.

Are you trying to imply that McCain is a conservative?

Try researching his history before you try that ploy.

Here is a little help to get you started on your research.

Here is the real history of McCain and it ain't pretty.


1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote) See here and here
2. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech and Pro-Life
3. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
4. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
5. Total support for global warming scam, including the Carbon Cap-and-Trade system. See Here
6. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
7. Wants to moderate or soften the Pro-Life plank of the GOP Platform. See Here and Here and Here. 8. Wants to close Gitmo and give Terrorists access to our legal system.
9. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
10. C grade from NRA.
11. 65% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
12. Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
13. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
14. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.
15. Wants to implement a socialist Health Care proposal that includes providing tax-coffer monies (your tax dollars) to the states to provide Health Care Insurance for those who either refuse to pay for it, or are unable to afford it (mostly illegal aliens).
16. Divorced his wife after he got back from Vietnam. The same woman who remained true to him and raised his kids while he was imprisoned.
17. Refuses to drill in ANWR. See here and here
18. Agrees with Democrats that our Foreign Policy has been arrogant and we need to be more humble.
19. Thinks and states that Pharmaceutical companies are evil
20. Has accepted funding from Soros and Teresa Heinz-Kerry for his institute
21. John McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts
22. "I think the Democrat Party is a fine and I have no problems with it, in their views and philosophy"
23. Strongly against Same Sex Marriage Ban Constitutional Amendment
24. Voted for Pro-Abortion Bill and Here.
25. Voted against bill that would impose sanctions against foreign governments and companies that invest more than $20 million in Iran's energy sector until the president certified to Congress that Iran had dismantled its weapons of mass destruction Here and Here
26. Voted against repealing the death tax.
27. McCain-Edwards-Kennedy    (Many Democrat inspired bad rules included in this monstrosity)
99 posted on 06/06/2008 10:36:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: WOSG
OTOH, if Clinton had not vetoed the Republican passage of ANWR drilling 10 years ago, we could be pumping 1 million barrels a day of ANWR oil right about now, which would be worth a cool $30 billion a year! And oil prices would be considerably lower if it were online. Drilling in ANWR will help us get over the oil crises of 2015-2025 that are sure to come as post peak oil gets more scarce..

Too bad McCain won't help you in that regards.

Remember, he is adamantly against drilling in ANWR.
100 posted on 06/06/2008 10:40:40 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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