Posted on 06/24/2008 1:01:41 PM PDT by pissant
I guess.
I really don't know. I guess to the FEC or some oversight group. If we have laws regarding candidates, then certainly they have some authority intended to enforce them.
Why? Look, just find out if he has a passport. If he does, then he has a birth certificate.
Fine, but one can have a birth certificate and a passport and still not meet the constitutional requirements to run for president, can't they?
No, but absence of any evidence at all that he was foreign born does tend to indicate that he wasn't. And if he wasn't born in a foreign country then by default he was born in the states.
“Who am I to doubt The Great Shermy?”
Well, I’ve had a long dry spell. :)
“Indeed, that’s the only suspicious aspect of this affair. At this stage, what’s their reason for not producing a certified copy?”
My favorite explanation that I read from past threads is he didn’t want to reveal that his birth name was Barry, his nickname is Barack. Dumb at first, but when you consider his hyper-sensitive identity and control issues, kind of makes sense! (How about Barry Harry Obama being the birth name! He certainly wouldn’t want his school friends to know that.)
Maybe there is no “father” listed on the real birth certificate, which could be reasons other than Barack Sr. is not the real father.
Worse, a different person is listed as father, which again, could be for reasons other than Barack Sr. is not the real father.
Why would Obama’s mother, who wasn’t wealthy, leave Hawaii to have her baby?
And if she did, how would she re-enter the USA with the child?
Unfortunately it seems quite improbable to me that he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
It seems very likely that there is something else embarrassing on the real birth certificate.
If challenged in Federal Court after winning the November election, Obama will produce the genuine certificate, and it will be too late for the embarrassing information to hurt him.
I seem to remember something about that, yes. All the major candidate's records were; Obama, Clinton, McCain.
Yes. Territories are considered part of the U.S., and people born in territories were natural born U.S. citizens. Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a territory.
If he was born in the U.S. and has a birth certificate, then all he needs is to be at least 35 years old and have lived in the U.S. for the last 14 years. He meets all that.
I wonder what her party affiliation is? ;)
I think this has got to explode the next day or two.
I had been told from one source that they listed the race according to how the applicant filled it in. Granted, I don't know if thats accurate or not, but I saw on another persons Hawaii birth cert going around that the father was listed as white and mother as caucasian.
lol! Love the drool coming out of the Obamabot’s mouth. ;>)
Not according to this person who contacted the Hawaii State Department of Health:
*snip*
"We received confirmation from the Hawaii State Department of Health (HSDH) that:
1. Certified copies of birth certificates are NEVER sent electronically. Copies can be requested by qualified individuals in person, by mail, or on line; and the Vital Records (VR) office will MAIL the Certification of Live Birth within 4 to 6 weeks.
2. Certifications of Live Birth will ALWAYS include an embossed seal.
3. The Vital Records office will NEVER black out the certification number.
-snip-
Observations/Questions:
1. Both documents reference the same form, indicated in the lower left corner: “OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER,” likely meaning that this form was revised in Nov. 2001 for use with laser printers, AND therefore that both of these certifications theoretically would have been produced by the VR office in Nov. 2001 or later.
2. In the lower left section, Decosta’s document says “Date Accepted By State Registrar” and Obama’s says “Date Filed By Registrar.” If they were both produced on the same form, why is the language different?
3. Decosta’s “Certificate No.” in the upper right region is shown; Obama’s is blacked out with a clean-edged block. When was this done, by whom, and why would a birth certificate number be a secret? Again, this is never done by the HSDH.
4. Decosta’s shows an embossed seal in the lower center region; Obama’s has no embossed seal. Again, HSDH says certifications never leave the office without one.
5. Decosta’s shows a stamp with signature in the lower left region; Obama’s does not. Again, standard procedure?
6. Obama’s “father’s race” is shown as “African,” which many readers find odd given that it’s not descriptive for race. What was the term used on birth certificates in Hawaii in 1961 for an African American? "
*end snip*
“First time you hear it? Where ya been?”
Out in the ozone, I guess!
Haven’t spent a whole lot of time on FR lately and missed ALL these threads. Interesting stuff!
Thanks for the reply.
It would be interesting to check immigration records . If Hussiein was in fact born outside the USA then there should be records of his entry into the US.
6. Did Ann drop out of the University when she was pregnant? If so, for how long?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-2,00.html
Mrs. Barack H. Obama
Shortly before she moved to Hawaii, Stanley saw her first foreign film. Black Orpheus was an award-winning musical retelling of the myth of Orpheus, a tale of doomed love. The movie was considered exotic because it was filmed in Brazil, but it was written and directed by white Frenchmen. The result was sentimental and, to some modern eyes, patronizing. Years later Obama saw the film with his mother and thought about walking out. But looking at her in the theater, he glimpsed her 16-year-old self. “I suddenly realized,” he wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, “that the depiction of childlike blacks I was now seeing on the screen ... was what my mother had carried with her to Hawaii all those years before, a reflection of the simple fantasies that had been forbidden to a white middle-class girl from Kansas, the promise of another life, warm, sensual, exotic, different.”
By college, Stanley had started introducing herself as Ann. She met Barack Obama Sr. in a Russian-language class. He was one of the first Africans to attend the University of Hawaii and a focus of great curiosity. He spoke at church groups and was interviewed for several local-newspaper stories. “He had this magnetic personality,” remembers Neil Abercrombie, a member of Congress from Hawaii who was friends with Obama Sr. in college. “Everything was oratory from him, even the most commonplace observation.”
Obama ‘s father quickly drew a crowd of friends at the university. “We would drink beer, eat pizza and play records,” Abercrombie says. They talked about Vietnam and politics. “Everyone had an opinion about everything, and everyone was of the opinion that everyone wanted to hear their opinion — no one more so than Barack .”
The exception was Ann, the quiet young woman in the corner who began to hang out with Obama and his friends that fall. “She was scarcely out of high school. She was mostly kind of an observer,” says Abercrombie. Obama Sr.’s friends knew he was dating a white woman, but they made a point of treating it as a nonissue. This was Hawaii, after all, a place enamored of its reputation as a melting pot.
(snip)
When Ann told her parents about the African student at school, they invited him over for dinner. Her father didn't notice when his daughter reached out to hold the man's hand, according to Obama ‘s book. Her mother thought it best not to cause a scene. As Obama would write, “My mother was that girl with the movie of beautiful black people playing in her head.”
On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama ‘s parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. “Nobody was invited,” says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama . “I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?” Obama wonders. “I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more.”
Even by the standards of 1961, she was young to be married. At 18, she dropped out of college after one semester, according to University of Hawaii records. When her friends back in Washington heard the news, “we were very shocked,” says Box, her high school friend.
Then, when Obama was almost 1, his father left for Harvard to get a Ph.D. in economics. He had also been accepted to the New School in New York City, with a more generous scholarship that would have allowed his family to join him. But he decided to go to Harvard. “How can I refuse the best education?” he told Ann, according to Obama ‘s book.
Obama ‘s father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there — a marriage that may or may not have been legal. In the end, Ann decided not to follow him. “She was under no illusions,” says Abercrombie. “He was a man of his time, from a very patriarchal society.” Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing “grievous mental suffering” — the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce.
(snip)
S. Ann Dunham Soetoro
When her son was almost 2, Ann returned to college. Money was tight. She collected food stamps and relied on her parents to help take care of young Barack. She would get her bachelor's degree four years later. In the meantime, she met another foreign student, Lolo Soetoro, at the University of Hawaii. ("It's where I send all my single girlfriends," jokes her daughter Soetoro-Ng, who also married a man she met there.) He was easygoing, happily devoting hours to playing chess with Ann's father and wrestling with her young son. Lolo proposed in 1967.
(snip)
Me: Still, I guess it is a genuine document that bypassed usual procedures.
You: Not according to this person who contacted the Hawaii State Department of Health:
When I say “genuine” I mean a document created by someone in the Hawaii Dept. of Health, not some photo-shop pastiche made elsewhere. I agree it appears to be without the certification impression and signature block.
I’m inclined to believe that this whole thing was actually started by the clinton’s. Sooner or later this will be mentioned by the MSM and when it is you might just hear an interview of hillary responding by saying something like...
“That is an outrageous claim which was probably started by the ‘right wing’, if that WAS true he would be ineligible to hold the office as president”
THAT’S when you will know who started the whole thing.
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