Posted on 06/21/2008 2:03:50 PM PDT by pissant
Friday we started a series on Obama’s birth certificate. The most recent post, Obama’s BIG Birth Certificate PROBLEM, featured two supposed “Certificates of Live Birth” from Honolulu, Hawaii: one presented as evidence of Obama’s 1961 birth; and the other certifying the birth of Patricia Decosta.
Here again is the document proffered by the Obama Campaign as evidence of his birth:
And here is Ms. Decosta’s certification:
We received confirmation from the Hawaii State Department of Health (HSDH) that:
1. Certified copies of birth certificates are NEVER sent electronically. Copies can be requested by qualified individuals in person, by mail, or on line; and the Vital Records (VR) office will MAIL the Certification of Live Birth within 4 to 6 weeks.
2. Certifications of Live Birth will ALWAYS include an embossed seal.
3. The Vital Records office will NEVER black out the certification number.
Thanks to our sharp readers, I’ve come up with a pretty interesting list of observations and questions so far. So, let’s review.
Observations/Questions:
1. Both documents reference the same form, indicated in the lower left corner: “OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER,” likely meaning that this form was revised in Nov. 2001 for use with laser printers, AND therefore that both of these certifications theoretically would have been produced by the VR office in Nov. 2001 or later.
2. In the lower left section, Decosta’s document says “Date Accepted By State Registrar” and Obama’s says “Date Filed By Registrar.” If they were both produced on the same form, why is the language different?
3. Decosta’s “Certificate No.” in the upper right region is shown; Obama’s is blacked out with a clean-edged block. When was this done, by whom, and why would a birth certificate number be a secret? Again, this is never done by the HSDH.
4. Decosta’s shows an embossed seal in the lower center region; Obama’s has no embossed seal. Again, HSDH says certifications never leave the office without one.
5. Decosta’s shows a stamp with signature in the lower left region; Obama’s does not. Again, standard procedure?
6. Obama’s “father’s race” is shown as “African,” which many readers find odd given that it’s not descriptive for race. What was the term used on birth certificates in Hawaii in 1961 for an African American?
7. Both documents appear to show in the lower center region a faint date, such as the kind produced by a standard ink-pad stamp purchased in any office supply store. I cannot make out the dates. Maybe this is supposed to be the date that the certification was approved, or mailed? When does Obama claim that he “received” this document?”
8. The font on Decosta’s is much bolder than that on Obama’s.
9. Decosta’s reveals fold marks, which you’d expect from a mailed document; Obama’s shows no signs of being handled at all, as if it was never printed (and if that’s the case, how was the certificate number blacked out?).
In addition, Polarik finds all kinds of problems in the microscopic details, as have other readers with expertise in the fields of printing, graphics, etc.
Other questions based on reader comments and Google searches:
1. Obama obviously cannot claim that this document is his original birth certificate, so why doesn’t he comment on the whereabouts of the original?
2. Wikipedia says that “Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.” Are there records of his birth at that hospital? I have seen references that there are not, but have not researched further.
3. The HSDH provides for “late registration” of a birth, and some have suggested that Obama may have actually been born in Kenya and registered for birth in Hawaii later. Has anyone researched this?
And finally, a possibly related question is whether Obama registered for the Selective Service when he turned 18, as he was required to do by law. Did the SS registration require a birth certificate?
ha!
Hillary, you magnificent b****!
Even if it turns out Hussein is actually hiding nothing (which I somehow doubt), this is a very valuable exercise.
Just as President Bush and John McCain finally getting off the dime last week and strongly advocating new energy sources, offshore drilling and new nuclear plants, immediately energized supporters and rallied the base.
This does the same. Any post critical of Obama, is a post not (yet again) ... whining about John McCain.
That’s a clear win-win, on so many levels. :)
2. In the lower left section, Decosta’s document says “Date Accepted By State Registrar” and Obama’s says “Date Filed By Registrar.” If they were both produced on the same form, why is the language different?
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Birth certificates are not filed by a registrar. Rather, they are filed with the office of the registrar (by the hospital.)
Also, is not one’s college application part of the public record subject to FOIA?
Doubt it. Obama's only a few years older than I am.
I registered at the Post Office. I doubt that I'd brought a birth certificate with me. More likely, I just filled out a form.
In a day when every little leaguer or other sports participant, regardless of age, has to provide a signed, raised seal, copy of certificate of birth in order to participate in various tournament play........WHO is responsible for making sure that ALL candidates for POTUS are legally able to fill the position BEFORE actively campaigning??
“2. Wikipedia says that “Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.” Are there records of his birth at that hospital? I have seen references that there are not, but have not researched further. “
AS I’ve posted here many times, the Obama site states that he was born in Queens Hospital in Honolulu. So again there is a discrepancy and need to provide the birth records NOT just a BC at this point.
Wouldn’t Hillary have dropped this little tidbit earlier in the campaign?
He waited until she suspended her campaign before he released this.
Any alterations invalidates this certificate. Blacking out the serial number is an alteration
All of the text (including the supposed pre-printed text) has a fuzzy border around it. They look like they were pasted and then had the edges feathered in Photoshop.
Not to mention that the blackout is computer created. So it was either blacked out by the Hawaii official or the creator of this fraudulent document (my bet’s on the latter)
Hawaiian FReepers.... do your birth certificates contain “island of birth”? Hawaii doesn’t have all that many cities and towns. When I lived there for two years, if you mentioned a town or city, most people automatically knew what island it was on (unless there were two places with the same name; for example, Waimea).
For the above point, and the lack of a Seal, lack of fold markes, etc, there is a plausible possibility:
Obama wanted to produce the birth info, he didn't want to wait 4-6 weeks. Probably everyone who works in Hawaii gov't is a democrat. Obama asked his Hawaii campaign staff to go and get it. Someone in the campaign staff knew someone who worked at the relavent agency... that person quickly printed the thing out and gave it to the staff member in violation of policy.
I am not saying I have any reason to believe this is the case, just that it would explain a whole host of issues.
I am beginning to wonder if this isn’t a way to throw people off the scent.
There is speculation about his mother arriving later etc. I wonder if what they really fear is that perhaps there were soem paperwork shenanigans or irregularities to get the paperwork straight. Obviously no one considered the infant would one day run for President, but is it possible there was something which needed a little redtape cutting?
In other words, perhaps they build the suspense, release the B.C and it actually looks fine, the media says “end of story”...but the real issue was/is HOW the BC came to exist.
Hiding in plain sight/diversion/red herring.
I dunno.
Then again, that just gets back into the fact his Mother was clearly an American anyway..so.........
I would imagine many others did so as well.
First change was just a revision to Windows. Second change was a new computer with a post 2000 chip and startup routine. Third change was with the corporate intranet.
As I retired in 2004 "they" were going through essentially the same exercise again.
Every single time "they" changed a major system component "they" made us rewrite our webpages ~ words changed left and right.
It is entirely conceivable that Hawaii state government went through similar post-millenium disaster exercises.
I would imagine many others did so as well.
First change was just a revision to Windows. Second change was a new computer with a post 2000 chip and startup routine. Third change was with the corporate intranet.
As I retired in 2004 "they" were going through essentially the same exercise again.
Every single time "they" changed a major system component "they" made us rewrite our webpages ~ words changed left and right.
It is entirely conceivable that Hawaii state government went through similar post-millenium disaster exercises.
It would be in her best interests to have "The Right" discover it.
I have, in my possession, three versions of my Birth Certificate, all from the same source, The Cook County Clerk.
The oldest is a photo copy of the “Original Certificate of Birth” which is filled in, by hand. It lists not only my mother's and fathers names, but their address and occupation at the time of my birth. It also has the signature of the doctor that delivered me.
It also indicates how many children my mother had given birth to and how many still births, if any, prior to my birth.
There is much more detailed information on it.
During the 1980s I needed a copy of my Birth Certificate and I was sent a Certification of Birth, printed by a computer on a pre-printed form.
The third version, obtained in 1997 also is printed by computer on a pre-printed form.
The last two versions have the bare information, similar to Obama’s. The pre-printed forms have different designs on the safety paper and the borders are slightly different.
All three versions have raised seals and are signed by the County Clerk. All are valid legal documents even though they are different.
What we really need to see is Obama’s Original Certificate of Birth, which may not exist anymore.
I was told that the original Certificate of Birth was lost in the flood that occurred in Chicago downtown around 1990.
Jeff, have you seen this one? Lot's of good questions here.
And blacked out the cert no as well, I reckon. It was done on a computer.
Obama's doesn't.
btt
Why are you still wasting time on this horse s**t?
Obama is a natural-born US citizen, beyond doubt, and there are lots of other things you could be doing if you want to see him defeated.
The raised seals on my two latest versions are hard to identify. They are a part of the design of the printed border. You have to look on the back surface to see the embossing.
Remember a year or so ago, there was a too-smart by half child molester who uploaded a photo onto some site, of himself with some kid - on which he had altered his own face with some sort of whirling pattern, causing his identity to be hidden?
Except, it wasn’t really; the photo alteration was reversed — and he was busted!! (that was rather excellent, in a modern version of the dumb criminals story line)
Is there a way to reverse the obscure of the blacked-out number?
You can’t walk and chew gum at the same time?
FWIW, the "faint date" appears to be printed on the back side of the paper; reversing the image, it reads "JUN 6 2007" pretty clearly.
Can you try making a laser copy to see if the shadows of the embossing show?
![doctorbulldogs-birth-certificate-02[1]](http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/6912/2226148690103381328S600x600Q85.jpg)
Wow,That looks like Obama’s.
Whoa! Good idea.
Could you run a whole graphics program backwards to reduce the whole 'certificate' back to bytes of information if it was made that way in the first place?
(Sorry, I don't know how to be more tech.)
Interesting.
Just before he started to run?
Doctor Bulldog Bigjowels for President!!!
Why are you still wasting time on this horse s**t?
..................Even if he is a citizen, wouldn’t it be nice to know if this is fake, and if it is, why? If he is a blatant liar everyone needs to know that also. So, no, I don’t think this is a waste of time.
Also, since there is a cert. # that’s supposed to be on that document also means it is a controled document and would have been traceable. Why would someone not want this certificate to be traced back to the issuing agency?
Of course, if the certificate is cooked then maybe his 'mother' wasn't his mother. And wasn't American.
And a more serious reply.
A comment after the article at No Quarters which might bear investigating:
“The real way to know whether Obama was born in Kenya is to look at his mom’s passport record or Kenya’s records for foreign visitors entering/leaving the country around August.”
Chicago was destroyed twice - once by fire, once by water
Ok, so Chicago really wasn't destroyed by the flood. But it sounds much cooler that way.
By the way, my 1950 Chicago birth certificate is probably different than any of yours - it's printout of a microfilm/microfiche of the hard copy.
FWIW, the “faint date” appears to be printed on the back side of the paper; reversing the image, it reads “JUN 6 2007” pretty clearly.
Which was a Saturday FWIW.
It says clearly that: Any alterations invalidate this certificate.
Clearly, the certificate number has been altered.
Ergo, the Obama “Birth Certificate” is invalid.
I remember something to the effect during the late 1940s and early 1950s that money was given to the Cook County Clerk to commit all of his vital statistics records, from day one, to microfilm.
...Oh well, it is Chicago!
At least I have a signed and sealed copy of the original.
Wednesday, actually.
That’s it, in a nutshell.
This would all be easy to clear up if there wasn’t a problem.
Ergo, there is a problem.
Do you have access to a laser printer?
Could you try it to see what happens?
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