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Department of Veterans Affairs Prepares to Strip John McCain of Vietnam Veteran Title
Blue Water Navy Vietnam Vetarans Association ^ | 26 June 08 | Site Admin - Blue Water Navy Organization

Posted on 06/30/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by Right Winged American

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To: Terry Mross

Someone on here is smoking dope. What ocean is McCain’s prison in? It is in Vietvan you twerp. The title is Vietnam veteran - not North or South Vietnam.


41 posted on 06/30/2008 10:47:59 AM PDT by Vetvoice
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To: Earthdweller

What a laugh! The veteran’s Vietnam Service Medal and Vietnam Campaign Medal are unalterable proof and unassailable documentation of being a Vietnam veteran.


42 posted on 06/30/2008 10:48:42 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Right Winged American

“Further, while this whole process of excluding BWN Vietnam Veterans from receiving veterans benefits began under Togo West under the second Clinton Administration, it was implemented by the VA under the current Bush Administration.”

This action therefore is another shining example of why it is important to eliminate previous opposition party cadre from ones new administration at the outset.

This action should be unceremoniously tossed onto the table before President G.W. Bush with demands this performance of the opposition be stopped, reversed immediately.

I haven’t a problem with telling people that “I am a Viet Nam ERA Vet”, because that is what I am. I served in South Korea 1966-1968. A man or woman that served in the Viet Nam Theater is a Viet Nam Vet period.


43 posted on 06/30/2008 10:48:45 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: McGruff

GRRRRRRR.I am so mad right now.


44 posted on 06/30/2008 10:51:12 AM PDT by fatima
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To: Right Winged American

Strange. This site is unreachable.


45 posted on 06/30/2008 10:53:06 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Enchante
Plenty of other Naval Aviators plus Air Force pilots flying from
bases in Thailand, etc. flew into deadly combat without setting foot
in the RVN.


In-Freakin-Credible! (in the words of the eloquent Andrew Dice Clay).

I hope they aren't going to diss guys like Robin Olds and others
that flew out of Thailand.
(as seen on The History Channel's "Dogfights")
46 posted on 06/30/2008 10:53:17 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Right Winged American; Justa
Your understanding of the issue doesn't match the inflammatory title....
47 posted on 06/30/2008 10:54:40 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (When all you have is a kitty, every problem looks like a troll.)
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To: Right Winged American

Let me see if I have this right....

All those Blue Water Flag Officers - who came ashore to visit the whore houses of South Vietnam are therefore eligible to be Vietnam War Veterans since their feet and other body parts touched South Vietnamese “property” ——— but the Marine/Navy Carrier Pilots who overflew our positions and attacked forces opposed to us are merely “Vietnam Era Veterans”!!! Is there no depth to which the freaking imbeciles in Washington won’t stoop to?

Recent events involving Murtha, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Delahunt, Durbin and then Obama’s selection by the DNC to run for President -— makes a very convincing argument that a lot of folks in our Government are Fxxking Insane.


48 posted on 06/30/2008 10:59:25 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I don’t get it. Can you explain this out? How does a veteran become not a veteran?

Simple. When the Department of Veterans Affairs takes a law like the Agent Orange Act of 1991, and 'interprets' the legislation as it makes the rules for implementing it.

This is new; it was begun during 2nd Clinton as part of the 'Peace Dividend', and implemented during GW's. This is indeed new. But not surprising, considering the abysmal choices for VA Secretary perpetrated by men trusted by the President.

Regrettably, GW was and is too loyal to nail them when they screwed the pooch.

Again, sigh.

49 posted on 06/30/2008 11:00:21 AM PDT by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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To: Right Winged American

This qualifies for a HUGE “WTF?!?!” Thank God Tonk didn’t live to see this...it’d kill him.


50 posted on 06/30/2008 11:17:14 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: em2vn

Yes, I’m sure it was a conscious decision. Get a grip and put the blame where it’s due.


51 posted on 06/30/2008 11:19:53 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: Snickersnee
"According to the Brown presentation of 2004, only individuals who served with 'boots on the ground' in South Vietnam would be referred to as 'Vietnam War veterans.' All others in the Vietnam War, between 1962 and 1975, would be referred to as Vietnam Era veterans or non-Vietnam War veterans."

So how, exactly, is this headline "crap"?

52 posted on 06/30/2008 11:22:00 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: Right Winged American

This is a crock. How shameful to post cooked-up headlines the same as the leftmedia does. Shameful and sad.


53 posted on 06/30/2008 11:22:37 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Typical gringa.)
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To: usmcobra; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

It ain’t just McCain, ping. I bet Tonk’s doing more than 60 rpms, cobra.


54 posted on 06/30/2008 11:25:37 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: pabianice
"Strange. This site is unreachable."

It took forever to load for me, too, but it's up now. The whole web seemed to hiccup for a few minutes.

55 posted on 06/30/2008 11:26:51 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: cake_crumb

If you care to examine the people that “W” has put in place with regard to veterans’ matters you will see it isn’t an accident.
He appointed one nit wit who announced he had decided that only military personnal who suffered wounds in combat could receive VA benefits. He also sought to redefine the meaning of veteran. He dropped the idea once he found out that only Congress determines such things.
I know the Chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee, under pressure from the White House, got the boot when Republicans were still in the majority. He was determined to be too friendly to veterans and veterans service organizations.


56 posted on 06/30/2008 11:30:26 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: freema
"It ain’t just McCain, ping. I bet Tonk’s doing more than 60 rpms, cobra."

No doubt and yes, it's not just McCain, it's thousands of people who fought and bled in the Viet Nam war.

57 posted on 06/30/2008 11:31:20 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: Right Winged American
If this is adopted, (and there is no reason to believe it won't, it did before!) it excludes an entire group of veterans from receiving benefits from exposure to Agent Orange depending on where they were standing, not how they were exposed.

It sounds like you are intimately and emotionally involved in this, so I will not presume to know more than you. However, as I read the Federal Register attachment from above, it looks like this is a very narrow definition used for purposes of determining who may be presumed to have been exposed to Agent Orange. I see no indication that others who do not fall under the definition may not also be determined to have been exposed to AO through some other adjudication process.

Certainly, this will not revoke Senator McCain’s status as a Vietnam Veteran.

58 posted on 06/30/2008 11:31:36 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (When all you have is a kitty, every problem looks like a troll.)
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To: em2vn

Ok, it’s all Bush’s fault.


59 posted on 06/30/2008 11:33:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Terrorist organizations worldwide endorse Obama.)
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To: lainie
Is this thing for real

That was my first thought and I was hopin some replied to you.

And to add to your point about McCain serving:


60 posted on 06/30/2008 11:40:53 AM PDT by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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