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To: pby

What about “he who is without sin cast the first stone”? Have you sinned since your salvation? I know have. Does that affect our salvation?

I’m not saying we have license to sin, clearly we do not. But our sins are forgiven if we accept that forgiveness, no? Abortion is obviously a sin and wrong and we should stand against it like we do all sin. But to say because someone engages in one sin or another, they are not a Christian? And then further to involve politics into it I think is questionable.

Certainly, through love we should try to righteously correct our brothers, but to say one person is a Christian and another is not because of his sin, is that our place?


65 posted on 07/02/2008 7:41:34 AM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: Free Descendant

It’s not a matter of having committed a sin, even one as heinous as murder,

it’s a matter of calling Evil Good and Good Evil,

and promoting the continuation of sin in others, and causing others to commit deadly sins (”better that a millstone”) that is the problem.

Get it?

And sins are only forgiven if the sinner admits his wrong and repents.
The pro-aborts are doing the opposite - instead of admitting their wrongs, they are attempting to justify their wrongs by getting others to do the same.


66 posted on 07/02/2008 7:45:55 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Free Descendant
I am not really sure where you are going with the "he who is without sin cast the first stone" reference.

I responded to your statement that Christians are not free from sin. Clearly, in contradiction to what you stated, Romans 6 states that Christians are indeed free from sin.

Because Christians have been freed from sin, by Christ's atoning work at the Cross and His resurrection from the dead, they are compelled to obedience to Christ and to holy living based on the Bible.

But our sins are forgiven if we accept that forgiveness, no?

No...you have it backwards. Christians are foregiven, based on God's acceptance of Christ's sacrifice for our sins, when we ask for foregiveness. But...God also requires repentance, which is a change of heart that leads to a change of mind that leads to a change in the way that Christians are living their life, which is marked by obedience to Christ as shown in the Bible.

Scripture says that a Christian will be known by their fruit. If a person's fruit includes the endorsement of, and the passing of, legislation that promotes the killing of the unborn, partially born and the born, it is not difficult, at all, to determine that the fruit is not of Jesus Christ.

Do you think that Jesus would participate in, or endorse, allowing an abortion surviving infant to die on a garbage cart in a hospital trash room? An Illinois nurse testified, in front of Obama, to that very occurrence. In spite of that, Obama voted to prevent the saving of such children. That fruit is very telling.

If a person's fruit includes the endorsement of, and passing of legislation that promotes, the advancement of the radical homosexual agenda, it is not difficult, at all, to determine that the fruit is not of Jesus Christ.

When a person's fruit includes associations with radical black liberation theology and racism, which is not biblical (not even close); when a person's fruit includes associations with marxist, terrorist and the indicted (Rezko)...it is not difficult, at all, to determine that the fruit is not of Jesus Christ.

And God gave us a mind. When there is a significant lack of experience coupled with socialist, extreme liberal proposals/positions that have proven to not work and they are proven to destroy economies and free societies...Why would anyone, Christian or non-Christian, choose such a candidate?

Love?

Love for God and man would not endorse, or allow, the killing of an innocent child.

Love for God and man would not endorse a homosexual lifestyle when God says that homosexuals will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. And...forget eternity for a moment, in the here and now, homosexuals have half the life span that heterosexual males have. Why would anyone promote a lifestyle that significantly reduces life span and has such a dire impact on eternity? You can't call that love!

Love for God and man makes it impossible for one to sit for twenty years in a racist, extreme black liberation theology church and to maintain a relationship with, and to take political and spiritual advisement from, its pastor.

If you think love is inclusive of any of these things, then...you are looking for love in all the wrong places!

Some people, who call themselves Christians, are being duped into voting for Obama because they don't know Christ and they don't know the Bible.

They just see a clean cut guy who can read a written speech well from the tele-prompter, and who mentions the word "god", and who talks of "hope" and "change" (while, in contradiction, he is surrounded by the Washington political establishment, hollywood, personal wealth, record-breaking campaign funds, advisers who have pushed for US military action in Darfur, negative campaigning, flip-flopping, socialists, communists, marxists, more corporate money than McCain, lobbyists and a liberal agenda that would make Bill Clinton blush) and they forget reality.

71 posted on 07/02/2008 11:07:34 AM PDT by pby
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