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To: keats5
Keats5 - I believe that on Monday, July 7, a member of FR stated someone associated with this investigation would be making a formal request for his U.S. BC under the Freedom of Information Act. If the state of HI refuses under the grounds of personal privacy to support the request, it is not clear as to what the next step would be. At any rate, the Obama campaign could simply resolve this by producing an authentic, non-forged document. At his point, I simply cannot see any advantage as to why they would allow this to drag out if such a BC existed. This story is now making its way into the upper echelon of the internet news sites and other blogs. It is now all over Youtube (don't laugh) which in recent history, has been the precursor to top sites such as Drudge, WND, and others.
171 posted on 07/06/2008 2:34:43 PM PDT by motoman
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To: motoman

“At any rate, the Obama campaign could simply resolve this by producing an authentic, non-forged document. At his point, I simply cannot see any advantage as to why they would allow this to drag out if such a BC existed.”

Indeed. Makes you wonder if a Hawaiian birth record exists at all, doesn’t it?

Somewhere, buried in the flood of earlier postings on this subject, I recall reading that - in one of his books - Obama said that he HAS his [original?] birth certificate. Not the phony “Certification of Live Birth” that has been posted at the KOS and “Fight the Smears” web sites, but the ORIGINAL.

I would like to pose a question to you, and to any other Freepers reading this:
What information could possibly appear upon the original that might be so “embarassing” to Obama that he could not release it to quell the growing controversy?

The religion of his father being “Islam”?
His OWN religion being “Islam” (if that even appeared on original Hawaiian birth certificates from 1961)?
His race as “white”?
His parents being unmarried?
No father listed?
His name listed as “Barry Dunham”?

Sit back and think for a moment. Who at birth can control what information is entered on their birth certificate? Not you. Not I. Not Obama. Not ANYone.

And - if that’s the case - should he be blamed for information entered upon it, that he could not control?

As a conservative, I would not hold it against Obama if the birth certificate said “white”, yet he identifies with the black race instead.
I would not hold it against him if the name he currently uses differs from that on the birth document.
I would not even hold it against him if the birth certificate listed him as a “Muslim”, yet he had made an honest converstion to Christianity.

Nor do I believe that any reasonable conservative would claim that information on that document - no matter how “embarassing” - disqualified him from becoming who he is today. This is America, where people make their own dreams.

No.
There is nothing on the original Obama birth certificate that could possibly be “embarassing” enough to discredit Obama, force him from the race, or cause his supporters to turn away from him.

What appears on the certificate must be something more serious, more damning, than having the potential to simply “embarass” him.

I’m wondering if the “birth certificate” that Obama has in his personal possession (assuming that his claim to have it is truthful) is indeed a “birth certificate”, but NOT one from Hawaii?

If not from there, from where?

Just askin’....

- John


233 posted on 07/06/2008 8:00:51 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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