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To: Grizzled Bear
I guess you're not in the military. Base Gyms have group showers. Basic Training and Tech Training dorms still tend to have group showers. Most large joint training areas (i.e., Grafenwoer AIN, Germany) also have group showers. So do many deployment zones. Actually; in some deployment zones your "shower" is a handful of baby wipes. Don't equate the military environment with any part of the civilian world. It doesn't work.

Sure it does. Showering together in the military is rare, compared to what the average civilian images. Gyms all over the world have group showers, that's not unique to the military. Basic training is like two months, AIT varies, but many no longer have group showers, and it's more rare every year. Large training areas often have them, which you can use for a few days, but as you said, most of that time is spent baby-wiping yourself down in the field, where I'm assuming you would notice if someone was staring at your junk while you were wiping it off.

That said, the vast majority of any military persons time is spent in their own room, or with a roommate, showering on your own. The big open bays are a thing of the past, but that's what a lot of civilians think of.

Any of the women I worked with had to put up with a lot worse, from time to time, when facilities were scarce. Guys worry about the rare, off chance that a gay person might be nearby while they're half clothed. Try being a female and needing to take a leak during a convoy halt, under a poncho, with 100 horny guys 100 feet away. I've felt genuinely embarrassed for my chromosome match on an occasion or two, and I just can't imagine that men in the military would ever have to endure what women seem to be able to shoulder.

121 posted on 07/08/2008 9:35:22 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate" Ibn Warraq)
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To: Steel Wolf
That said, the vast majority of any military persons time is spent in their own room, or with a roommate, showering on your own. The big open bays are a thing of the past, but that's what a lot of civilians think of. Try being a female and needing to take a leak during a convoy halt, under a poncho, with 100 horny guys 100 feet away. I've felt genuinely embarrassed for my chromosome match on an occasion or two, and I just can't imagine that men in the military would ever have to endure what women seem to be able to shoulder.

Any guy who gets hot and bothered by a woman pissing (whether under a poncho or not) has some serious issues.

Why are you embarrassed by your "chromosome match?" I can't seem to get embarrassed over being white, male or heterosexual. If someone acts like a pig; it's their issue, not mine.

Maybe paying some shakedown money to Jesse and Al will help you get over your guilt. Then you can have Barbara sing for you and everything will be swell.

Now, lets get serious. Look at the parks, public bathrooms and beaches frequented by homosexual males. Is it too much of a stretch to believe allowing homosexuals to serve openly will result in similar problems?

Before you say the military will keep good order and discipline, everybody believed the civil authorities would do the same. What are the results?

Nah. Forget it. Lets do it your way. America can fall, just like Rome. It doesn't matter anyway. Cause you wouldn't understand.

123 posted on 07/08/2008 9:50:36 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Steel Wolf

“Sure it does. Showering together in the military is rare, compared to what the average civilian images.”

Every duty station where I served had group showers for lower enlisted males. After active duty, every reserve location that I went to had group showers for lower enlisted males. If what you are saying is true, then I would have to say that a heck of a lot of money has been spent in the last few years to change that situation.

I’m not saying that I don’t believe you, I’m just saying that my own experiences state otherwise.


135 posted on 07/09/2008 5:44:21 AM PDT by CSM (Hey if a small tax increase didn't work, a bigger tax increase should not work even BETTER!)
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