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To: MrB

Outside of Science, there’s no harm at all. But inside of science you’ll have to subjugate God to all the same standards and tests that any other theory has. Cause/Effect, replication, etc...


13 posted on 07/08/2008 12:21:23 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

Strange, the absolute certainty that there is no Creator, in itself is a religious belief,

is not subject to the scientific rigor that you propose -

it’s simply stated as true through the “proof by arrogant condescension.”


20 posted on 07/08/2008 12:34:52 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Philly Nomad
Funny. We can't subject the moment of the Big Bang to any of those tests. In fact, physicists have become pretty resigned to the fact that there will be a moment of time forever closed to scientific inquiry due to the fact that the actual laws of physics hadn't come into being yet.

If there can be a "before" the known laws of physics, there can also be an "outside" of the known laws of physics. And if the universe has a Creator, one who actually created the whole of space and time and all the laws that science seeks to discover and understand, He must be in that "outside," since if He were "inside," He would not be the Creator, just as a statue cannot be its own sculptor.

How then do we "test" for Him? Perhaps by finding His fingerprints: the Anthropic Principle, evidence of design in life, communications with mankind that can be tested and authenticated, etc.

Oh, but I forgot: We're not allowed to even inquire in such directions. It's just not scientific--at least not according to the modern priests of atheism and humanism.

25 posted on 07/08/2008 12:44:23 PM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Philly Nomad

According to “curiosity” (FR poster), only empirically falsafiable can be used to separate science from other disciplines.


27 posted on 07/08/2008 12:59:37 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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