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Surburban Flight: Commuting to Work Less Attractive as Gas Prices Soar
Madistan.com ^ | July 16, 2008 | Mike Ivey

Posted on 07/16/2008 5:43:59 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I WORKED for 20 years and made many sacrifices to OWN land in the country. I worked for it, I PLANNED for it, and screw anyone that takes away MY choice to live as I please. I lived in-town and in suburbs with the SOLE intent of getting the heck out of there on day down the road. And I DID it! Wa-Hoo!

Same here but in my case it was forty years.

These "journalists" are just not going to give up trying to shove their agenda down our throats.

Decades ago, EMPLOYERS fled the corrupt, filthy cities and built industrial parks and campuslike corporate headquarters out where people LIVED.

They keep trundling out the Wonderful Workers' Paradise idea of living in urban rat cages and projects. They can CALL them Upscale Gentrification all they want. I visited my brother's really expensive NYC apartment years ago when he lived there.

I'd rather die.

Besides, if someone is commuting to a city, they are supposedly doing so because the city "Pays better". Well, then it should "Pay Better" enough so that adding a hundred or two a month can be handled.

41 posted on 07/16/2008 6:32:48 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: wbill

They probably wouldn’t need Doggy Day Care at all if they spent more time with their dog. Which they could if they weren’t on the road an hour and a half a day.

If they worked close to home, they could run home at lunch and play with the dog, they would leave later, come home earlier.


42 posted on 07/16/2008 6:32:52 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

When did I ever say I wanted government to dictate where we live? If you really think drilling will bring gas back down to $2/gallon, you’re delusional. This a problem of global supply and demand, and it’s only going to get worse. We need to ween ourselves off oil, not kick the can down the road.

The high prices are good because they’ll allow the market to figure out something more efficient much faster than any government program will. In fact, I’m glad there’s so much gridlock in Washington over this, because that will keep them from getting in the way of progress.


43 posted on 07/16/2008 6:34:38 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Always Right

Secretly? Not the libs I know. They are publicly delighted.They think it is going to force the rest of us onto public transportation and curtail our mobility and will give them more space on the street for their Volvos and BMWs.


44 posted on 07/16/2008 6:35:15 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

You didn’t. I did. And I’m not delusional. I agree with you on quite a few points.

Oh, wait...maybe I AM delusional, LOL! :)


45 posted on 07/16/2008 6:36:45 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: tsmith130

I obviously wasn’t speaking literally. My point is that drilling will be expensive and largely ineffective.

To answer your question, I expect the value of my house to raise, which is another plus. Taxes, on the other hand, should go down, because there the tax base will increase more than the expenses of running the same level of government service.


46 posted on 07/16/2008 6:38:08 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: mouse_35

[I’m not begging the government to drill for more oil. I just want them to get the heck out of the way and let companies do it.]

Exactly.


47 posted on 07/16/2008 6:40:05 AM PDT by KansasGirl (It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to fight congress for our own survival.)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Taxes, on the other hand, should go down, because there the tax base will increase more than the expenses of running the same level of government service.

You say this as a Libertarian?

48 posted on 07/16/2008 6:41:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Da Coyote
I noted the word “truck” in the lament about commuting costs

BINGO

49 posted on 07/16/2008 6:41:23 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

How do you expect the “same level of government services” when there’s an influx of people?


50 posted on 07/16/2008 6:42:26 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: mouse1

The reason that things are bad in cities like Milwaukee and Detroit is because people abandoned the cities in the first place. Minneapolis and St. Paul are certainly not problem-free, but have never had the level of urban blight a lot of other cities have. A big reason for that is because people have continually lived in the city. A city like Detroit or Baltimore seems so hopeless because it’s so abandoned. That contributes to crime and makes it more expensive to police.

I don’t think it’s a sense of entitlement to want to keep your kids safe; that’s a normal desire. The sense of entitlement comes when you think you deserve something you can’t afford. Are you better then all of the people still trapped in some of those neighborhoods? Plenty of them would like to keep their children safe also.


51 posted on 07/16/2008 6:42:53 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You’re absolutely correct, it *is* Bush’s fault that this lady can’t send her dog to day care 3 days a week. :-)


52 posted on 07/16/2008 6:44:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Are you better then all of the people still trapped in some of those neighborhoods? Plenty of them would like to keep their children safe also.

So you want us all to be trapped and miserable?

The sense of entitlement comes when you think you deserve something you can’t afford.

If you couldn't afford something at the onset, I agree with you. But circumstances change. You can't always predict which circumstance will change, in which direction they'll change and how it will affect you.

53 posted on 07/16/2008 6:47:09 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I completely agree with you. The mantra that “Government should do something about it” is a very dangerous and slippery slope.


54 posted on 07/16/2008 6:48:29 AM PDT by madinmadtown
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To: IYAS9YAS

New York City is full of financial opportunity and is very low crime. They can get people to pay quite a bit to live there, as it’s very desireable. The liberalness of cities has a lot more to do with the population than the mere fact that it’s an urban setting. Cities might not be so liberal if more conservatives moved back into them. Also, cities are inherently liberal - San Diego managed to stay pretty conservative for a long time.

I’m not against the middle class, but we need to accept that cheap gas is a thing of the past. The middle class moved out of the cities decades ago, and now they may start to move back in. If they figure out they can afford to stay in the suburbs, more power to them.


55 posted on 07/16/2008 6:50:44 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I wager that gas will never be less than $3.50 again, even if we start drilling. This a problem of global supply and demand. It’s only going to get worse. However, I do understand that you only mean to drill as stop-gap, and we’re otherwise on the same page. I think leaving the prices high is the best way for the free market to figure out what the best alternative is, rather than have the government expand drilling and then expect the government to figure out what we’re going to do next.


56 posted on 07/16/2008 6:54:19 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: dfwgator

If you lived in Dallas, you could vote for a new City Council.


57 posted on 07/16/2008 6:55:13 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I speak for myself and my wife. We moved from Urban California to Rural California for a reason. The urban lifestyle we grew up, and lived in most of our adult lives went to Hell. Drugs, Shootings and other Crimes, Profiteering Leftist Politicians, Offensive neighbors, housing crammed on top of one another. It was a disgusting way to have to have to live. It took years to get the stench of Urban living from our noses.

You seem to assume that we whom live in Suburbia all live in “McMansions”. That’s hardly the case. Most of the folks out in the Suburban areas live in quiet, peaceful retreat in considerably less than a “McMansion”.

We won’t move back to that crap Urban lifestyle because you or any idiot Leftist thinks we in Suburbia are consuming more than you think we should. You go ahead and live in the rat infested Urban lifestyle if you wish, but don’t haughtily condemn those of us whom had the sense to get the Hell out.


58 posted on 07/16/2008 6:56:18 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: mouse_35

My point is that by being depending on gasoline, you’re depending on the whims of the government. They can easily make restrictions by banning drilling or raising taxes.


59 posted on 07/16/2008 6:56:47 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: pnh102
"Agreed. My wife has an 80 mile round trip commute each day and the gas prices have not hit us that badly because her car gets great mpg."

You got it right. My wife has an almost identical commute. Her 2007 Toyota Corolla gets 42mpg (commute is essentially all "highway driving"). When we bought her Toyota, I got rid of my Ford Ranger, which was getting 24 mpg, and took her "old" car (1993 Acura Integra), which gets 32 mpg (highway miles). "My" commute is about 2 miles each way--- :^).

60 posted on 07/16/2008 6:59:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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