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Surburban Flight: Commuting to Work Less Attractive as Gas Prices Soar
Madistan.com ^ | July 16, 2008 | Mike Ivey

Posted on 07/16/2008 5:43:59 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: CharlesWayneCT
"...less burdensome to the planet..."

Less burdensome to the planet? It sounds like you've been smoking the democRAT crack!

101 posted on 07/16/2008 7:56:01 AM PDT by meyer (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: L98Fiero

Good post. You see the situation clearly, IMO.


102 posted on 07/16/2008 7:56:12 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

[so let’s allow the free market to guide us toward the most efficient alternative.]

I’m with you on that. If on only the Gov’t and envirocommies would get out of hard-working Americans way!


103 posted on 07/16/2008 7:57:07 AM PDT by KansasGirl (It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to fight congress for our own survival.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well, if they can’t afford it, they don’t have much of alternative, now do they?


104 posted on 07/16/2008 8:00:04 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: KansasGirl

It’s not. I was referring to “biofuels” and the like.


105 posted on 07/16/2008 8:01:08 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: L98Fiero

Thank you.


106 posted on 07/16/2008 8:01:52 AM PDT by KansasGirl (It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to fight congress for our own survival.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If I’m not mistaken, her husband Tom was my attorney back in the early 80’s.


107 posted on 07/16/2008 8:05:16 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Why don’t we let the free market determine what is the viable alternative.


108 posted on 07/16/2008 8:05:28 AM PDT by KansasGirl (It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to fight congress for our own survival.)
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To: KansasGirl

The gov’t needs to get out of the way and let the free market work out the best solution.


109 posted on 07/16/2008 8:06:31 AM PDT by KansasGirl (It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to fight congress for our own survival.)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Ah, the good old conservative city life.

Public (government subsidized) transportation.
Public (government subsidized) sewer system.
Public (government maintained) streets on a 200 foot spaced grid.
Wall-to wall police force just to make an evening walk marginally safe.
Government restrictions on animal ownership, what you can display, what you can garden, how much noise you can make, and (until recently) your right to own a gun.

I have consciously chosen to pay less (housing, food, etc) to live in the suburbs, where I enjoy far greater freedom from the nanny state. I see a cop car about once or twice a month. How many have you seen just this morning?

And no, I’m not going to whine about gas prices. Plan B is to car pool when gas gets to about $7/gallon.


110 posted on 07/16/2008 8:08:00 AM PDT by kidd
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To: L98Fiero

You have the right to live wherever you can AFFORD. Why is this so hard to understand? High energy prices are here to stay, whether we drill at home or not. It’s a global problem. For many people, that may leave them unable to live their current lifestyle. Rather than accepting it adjusting, many are whining and complaining and expecting somebody else to fix the mess they’ve gotten themselves into. Typical liberal behavior, but now coming from people who call themselves conservatives.

You can waste as much as you want as long as you pay for it, but now we’re starting to see the ramifications of it. Times and circumstances have changed. Get over it. If you can afford to keep living the way you are, then great. More power to you. If not, you’re going to have to change. I’m not telling you that, government’s not telling you that, economics is. Phil Gramm was spot on when he said this is a “nation of whiners”.

On one final note, if you drive on the highways, then you’re dependent on government to get where you need to go. Why is that so hard to see for so many people?


111 posted on 07/16/2008 8:09:46 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
The reason that things are bad in cities like Milwaukee and Detroit is because people abandoned the cities in the first place.

People didn't abandon the cities - the cities abandoned the people. They became liberal, grabbing more and more of what people earned. So the earners escaped, just as one would escape a communist country.

I'm guessing that you're probably young so you don't remember events like the Hough Riots in Cleveland. Or the Black Panthers knocking on doors on the east side of Cleveland, telling "whitey" to get out of their neighborhood.

Watching one's neighborhood turn from a cozy, friendly place where everybody took care of their property to one where homeowners took no pride in ownership. Where they let their own homes falter, dragging the value of the neighborhood down with it. Tenants destroying the property that they rented, and then blaming the landlord. And the cities - they could have cared less as long as they got their tax dollars. In fact, they often took the side of the tenents.

I worked those neighborhoods as an electric Meter Reader for 3+ years. I've seen it up close and personal.

After you've seen a city or a neighborhood get destroyed by liberalism, you won't want any part of it any more. My family fled Cleveland in 1959, and many of my friends' families did so during the '60's and early '70's when things had gotten really rough (thanks, LBJ, for that "great society" mindset). I would never go back to that hellhole, and I wouldn't expect that very many others will either, unless they live in some gated community or one of the few remaining enclaves of sanity.

112 posted on 07/16/2008 8:12:22 AM PDT by meyer (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Whoo-Hoo! We're all gonna be living in Detroit, Newark, Philadelphia and similar places! The urban core is where it's at! The Democrats have prepared our places in the cities and they welcome us to our brave new world!

No thanks.

City entrepreneurs (murderous thugs) are looking forward to the new influx of wealth. Better sharpen up on your urban warfare skills before you move to Philly. It also helps to look as crazy as you can. Get a neck tattoo as a minimum.

113 posted on 07/16/2008 8:13:37 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: KansasGirl

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Liberals want to try and “solve” the energy problem through government programs. Many conservatives want to drill our way out of the problem, but that’s not going to work. I think that’s the fundamental disagreement I’m having with most people on this thread - that we can’t drill our way out of this. Secondly, even if drilling does bring down prices, it will be temporary. I say it’s better to have the high prices now so that the market directs us towards something else. We’ll need the oil still in the ground for the transitory period, so we’d better not blow through it by trying to kick the problem further down the road.


114 posted on 07/16/2008 8:14:24 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

115 posted on 07/16/2008 8:16:45 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kidd

I’ve got a news flash for you; the road system is government subsidized transportation. The streets and sewers are maintained by city and country governments nearly everywhere, even in the suburbs. I don’t see that many police and I feel perfectly safe; most of the other things you’ve mentioned depend very much on the city.

As long as you don’t whine about gas prices, then I don’t care what you do. You have the right to live however you want.


116 posted on 07/16/2008 8:17:28 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: freepertoo

That would be so funny if all the employees brought a tent and camped out in the parking lot! Wonder if the employer would call the police?


117 posted on 07/16/2008 8:18:11 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: meyer

First of all, let me clear something up I’ve had to clear up several times now. I’m not criticizing the suburbs. I’m criticizing people who feel a sense of entitlement about living in the suburbs.

Liberalism failed the cities. However, the suburbs may no longer be a viable alternative for a lot of people. People may start to move abandoned cities and try to fix them, and not with any big government programs. Alternately, they can build new cities or expand existing ones. With the internet and the availability of air travel, you can put a city just about anywhere.


118 posted on 07/16/2008 8:21:16 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
I say it’s better to have the high prices now so that the market directs us towards something else. We’ll need the oil still in the ground for the transitory period, so we’d better not blow through it by trying to kick the problem further down the road.

Perhaps.

You assume that the government will allow the free market to develop alternate energy rather than to use this price crunch as an opportunity to force us into greater government dependency. Will high prices force the government to allow breeder reactors? Coal gasification? Shale oil extraction? Or will the government insist that we reverse economic growth for the sake of some environmental hoax?

119 posted on 07/16/2008 8:24:51 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Commuting to Work Less Attractive as Gas Prices Soar”

Duh.


120 posted on 07/16/2008 8:31:01 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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