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Roman Catholics for Obama '08
Catholic World Report ^ | June 2008 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 07/18/2008 9:19:41 AM PDT by rrstar96

The first time I learned about the practice I was horrified. It was the mid-1990s. The source was Sharon Dunsmore, a nurse in a hospital NICU (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit) who wrote a small booklet about the experience. One day on the job she had been summoned “stat” to the delivery room to deal with an “oops abortion”—a failed abortion in which the baby unexpectedly survived, or, as Dunsmore quoted the pediatrician on the scene, “had the audacity to survive.”

The team struggled as to whether to continue intubating the child—now a little boy, not a “fetus”—who clearly was not going to make it, mangled and destroyed as he was. He gasped for air as the doctor left the room, allowing nature to take its cruel course, leaving the boy with Dunsmore. No further medical care would be administered.

Typically in these situations, the infant is left alone—on a cold metal table, in a corner, on a bare bed, in a trash can. Dunsmore did not have the heart to do that. She stayed with the boy.

In her account, Dunsmore went into painstaking detail about what happened next—the breathing, the wetting—with such vividness that I, a mere distant reader, couldn’t decide whether to cry or vomit. Recalling the scene she described never ceases to make me sad. She wrote of how she named him “Tiny Tim,” took him in her arms, held his little hand, and sang to him: “Jesus loves the little children….” The little boy fought as best he could, but to no avail. She whispered “goodbye” to him, and told him he “did matter to someone.”

I have never forgotten that story and since then have even met some of these abortion survivors, one of whom visited Grove City College to speak before a spellbound group of our students at the campus chapel a few years ago.

OBAMA’S STANCE ON ABORTION

The United States Congress has also learned about this grisly reality, and finally, in 2002, passed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, requiring that babies like Tiny Tim who survive abortions receive medical care from the medical professionals in their midst—medical professionals who suddenly must morph from killers to their traditional roles of healers and helpers.

The bill was so obviously necessary and became so popular that it faced no real opposition, even from the most fanatical of Congress’ pro-abortion extremists, including Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, and Ted Kennedy. Even NARAL, the National Abortion Rights Action League, supported the legislation.

Indeed, who could ever oppose such legislation? Actually, there is someone: Barack Obama, who appears as of May to be the frontrunner for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, and possibly the next president of the United States.

Obama was not a member of the US Senate at the time that the Born Alive Infants Protection Act passed unanimously through both chambers of Congress. But he was a member of the Illinois state legislature, where similar legislation was introduced at the state level. There, Obama twice voted against the legislation, in 2002 and 2003, and as chair of the Health and Human Services Committee blocked another attempt to bring the legislation to the floor of the Illinois Senate.

The pro-life community in the state of Illinois was aghast, and pro-life Catholics were horrified. Yet today Catholics around the country are lining up to endorse Barack Obama’s candidacy for president of the United States. They are stumping hard for Obama, who, if elected, has promised to do whatever he can to appoint justices and support legislation guaranteeing decades of protection for Roe v. Wade.

CATHOLICS IN HIS CAMP

Who are these Catholics? They are an eclectic bunch, from politicians like Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), Democratic Governor Tim Kaine (Va.), Democratic Governor Bill Richardson (N.M.), Representative Patrick Kennedy (D-Mass.), Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.), and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) to Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team.

The support of the Kennedys and Kerrys is no surprise; they are pro-abortion party hacks. But the endorsement of Dan Rooney, known to be a daily communicant, is bizarre. Among other reasons, his team’s brutal Steel Curtain and Blitz-burg defenses do not call to my mind the image of the man that National Journal ranks as the most liberal member of the US Senate.

There are also, of course, the predictable “Catholic” colleges that, in defiance of repeated warnings by the bishops regarding Catholic institutions and pro-abortion politicians, have offered platforms to Obama in the form of on-campus political rallies: St. Peter’s College in New Jersey (in January) and Loras College in Iowa (in March).

But no group of Catholics seems quite as odd as the one titled “Roman Catholics for Obama ’08,” which dubs Barack Obama “the best and right candidate for Catholic voters.” The group asserts: “[W]e, as Catholics, believe Catholics can and should vote for Barack Obama because his platform aligns well with Catholic Social Teaching.”

Their website (www.romancatholicsforobama.com) leads with a long quote from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which states, “The Catholic Church proclaims that human life is sacred and that the dignity of the human person is the foundation of the moral vision for society … In our society, human life is under direct attack from abortion and euthanasia.”

But the group completely ignores the fact that Obama’s record contradicts this statement, instead underscoring Obama’s stance on the death penalty, terrorism, Iran, American diplomacy, regional diplomacy, nuclear weapons, the “21st century military,” gun policy, global poverty, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, “new partnerships in Asia,” Darfur, and “the culture of secrecy.” In short, the group focuses on everything except the primary moral principles taught authoritatively by the Catholic Church.

Navigating one’s way around the website of “Roman Catholics for Obama ’08” is a dispiriting immersion in inanity, moral equivalency, and delusional thinking. This is likewise true for another (ecumenical) website, www.faith.barackobama.com, which has posted a number of endorsements from Catholics like “Tamara S.” of Roswell, Georgia, who says, “I’m disturbed by the hijacking of the Republican party by far-right Christians.” Or take this one: “I have no interest in living in a theocracy,” writes Father Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Church in Chicago, who is most concerned with “issues of poverty and issues of justice and equal access and opportunity, especially when dealing with children and education and healthcare.”

CASEY SUPPORTS OBAMA

Many of these Catholics dismiss or downplay the Church’s teachings on the sanctity and dignity of human life. But what about the explicitly pro-life Catholics who are supporting Obama? The two most high-profile, Catholic pro-life endorsers of Barack Obama for president are Bob Casey, Jr. and Doug Kmiec.

Senator Robert P. Casey, Jr. is the son of and heir to the great pro-life stalwart, Governor Robert P. Casey of Pennsylvania. It was hard to find a pro-life Democrat as principled as the late governor, who was named in the title of the 1992 court case Planned Parenthood v. Casey. The late Casey was shocked by the abortion stridency of his party, so much so that in 1996 he considered a run for the presidency against the incumbent president from his own party, Bill Clinton. In 2006, the younger Casey, who is likewise considered a pro-life Catholic Democrat, unseated the strongest pro-lifer in the US Senate, Senator Rick Santorum. Since then, Casey has been a grave disappointment, not at all picking up the torch from Santorum.

Consequently, it was not surprising to learn that in the thick of the crucial Pennsylvania primary, Casey endorsed Barack Obama for president. He then announced he would be touring Pennsylvania cities with Obama, including, incidentally, those small towns in rural areas that Obama said were comprised of “bitter” folks who “cling” to God and guns out of frustration at the federal government’s failures.

If Obama had won Pennsylvania on April 22 rather than losing to Hillary Clinton by 10 points, he would have been propelled to the Democratic Party nomination in Denver. So, Casey jumped into the fray to do his part.

Casey was also there with Obama at the April 13 “Compassion Forum” at Pennsylvania’s Messiah College, broadcast by CNN. Abortion rights fell into the category of “compassion” for Obama, who fenced a question about whether he believes life begins at conception by saying, “I don’t presume to know the answer to that question.” Earlier in the campaign Obama had made the stunning remark that if one of his young daughters got pregnant out of wedlock, he would not want her to be “punished with a baby.”

THE CASE OF DOUG KMIEC

If any of this bothers Casey, he hasn’t expressed it. Casey’s endorsement of Obama demonstrates that he is first and foremost a Democrat who places party loyalty above moral principle. The same cannot be said, however, of the endorsement of Obama by Douglas W. Kmiec, who has long been thought to be a conservative Catholic Republican.

Kmiec, a former counsel to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, was the dean of the Catholic University of America School of Law. He is currently chair of constitutional law at Pepperdine University in Malibu, California. He recently was an adviser to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Kmiec calls Obama “a natural for the Catholic vote.”

“Today I endorse Barack Obama for president of the United States,” announced Kmiec in a March 23 statement posted at Slate.com. “I believe him to be a person of integrity, intelligence, and genuine good will.”

Unlike other Catholics who ignore the issue altogether, Kmiec addressed his difference with Obama over abortion. But he deals with the difference unconvincingly. Kmiec acknowledges that he believes life begins at conception, “and it is important for every life to be given sustenance and encouragement,” then renders this stance meaningless with a vague hope about Obama’s openness: “In various ways, Sen. Barack Obama and I may disagree on aspects of these important fundamentals, but I am convinced, based upon his public pronouncements and his personal writing, that on each of these questions he is not closed to understanding opposing points of views and, as best as is humanly possible, he will respect and accommodate them.”

To which public pronouncements is Kmiec referring? Recall Obama’s remarks to a screaming Planned Parenthood crowd last July, to whom he promised, “The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act,” which would overturn state pro-life laws nationwide and make abortion the supreme law of the land. In that speech, he told the appreciative women that Planned Parenthood was a “safety net provider” that needed to be given “discounted drugs” so that “all women” would have access to “affordable contraception.” In the speech, he hailed Margaret Sanger—eugenicist, racist, and Planned Parenthood founder—as a voice in the “struggle for equality.”

Amazingly, Kmiec read this speech and points to it as an example of Obama’s alleged flexibility. Kmiec sees the speech as lacking the vituperation of so many speeches by pro-choice Democrats to abortion groups, an interpretation that mistakenly assumes that style and tone trumps substance and policy for Obama.

Behind Obama’s smile is an uncompromising advocacy for unfettered abortion rights. Obama is committed to appointing strictly pro-abortion judges to the US Supreme Court. As for Reaganesque pro-life judges recently promoted to the court by President George W. Bush—namely, Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, both of whom Kmiec commends—Obama boasts of his votes against these two judges.

Obama has said that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the most stalwart abortion crusader on the high court, is his ideal justice. Kmiec, given his expertise as a legal scholar, knows this.

To be blunt, Kmiec’s perception of Obama’s openness to accommodation on abortion is pure projection. There is absolutely no reason to conclude that a President Obama would be receptive to a pro-life message. Obama himself has repeatedly made it clear that his stance on this issue will be unyielding. As president, he might say he is open to pro-lifers and that he respects them, but he would not be expected to join them on any meaningful pro-life action.

There is a psychological-emotional attraction to Obama that goes beyond the traditional reasons explaining why people, Catholics included, support certain candidates. What’s more, the Roman Catholics in Obama’s camp are largely typical of the religious left generally and left-leaning Catholics specifically who identify with and support a liberal Democrat for president. The abortion issue simply loses out to a wider swath of “social justice” issues that for them take precedence.

The Church continues to exhort Catholics to reject this moral equivalency in their voting, but Obama’s Catholic supporters don’t care, and from this atmosphere of dissent Obama hopes to ride a wave of millions of Catholic votes all the way to the White House.

Paul Kengor has most recently published God and Hillary Clinton (HarperCollins, 2007) and The Judge: William P. Clark, Ronald Reagan’s Top Hand (Ignatius Press, 2007). He is professor of political science at Grove City College.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; barackobama; catholic; catholicchurch; catholicvote; oxymoron; prolife; religiousleft

1 posted on 07/18/2008 9:28:10 AM PDT by rrstar96
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To: lsucat; Teófilo; NYer; Salvation; Nihil Obstat; mileschristi; bornacatholic; Mrs. Don-o; narses

Faith of Our Fathers ping


2 posted on 07/18/2008 9:29:04 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: rrstar96

If you remotely belive in the Catholic Faith and what it teaches about life, there is absolutely no way you can support abortion in any way shape or form.

Those that call themselves pro-abortion Catholics, are deluding themselves.


3 posted on 07/18/2008 9:30:59 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Those that call themselves pro-abortion Catholics, are deluding themselves.

There are a lot of self-deluded Catholics, then.

4 posted on 07/18/2008 9:32:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: rrstar96

May God grant us the clarity to see politicians aren’t responsible for abortion: women are.


5 posted on 07/18/2008 9:33:47 AM PDT by papertyger (Life is like a turtle on a fence post...)
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To: rrstar96

“In various ways, Sen. Barack Obama and I may disagree on aspects of these important fundamentals, but I am convinced, based upon his public pronouncements and his personal writing, that on each of these questions he is not closed to understanding opposing points of views and, as best as is humanly possible, he will respect and accommodate them.”

Wonderful.

Puddin’ Head is “open” to “understanding” opposing viewpoints, and “respects” and “accomodates” them.

What the hell could possibly be more important than those empty, feel-good platitudes.

The baby still is murdered.


6 posted on 07/18/2008 9:33:59 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: rrstar96
Never mind Catholic...The idea that killing a baby is some kind of "right"...is wrong.

There is no difference in killing a one year old and a baby in the womb...except age.

7 posted on 07/18/2008 9:35:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: rrstar96

They view their RC affiliation as political rather than one of Faith.


8 posted on 07/18/2008 9:35:40 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: rrstar96
Who are these Catholics?

At best, apostates.

9 posted on 07/18/2008 9:40:04 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: HamiltonJay
"Those that call themselves pro-abortion Catholics, are deluding themselves."

I'll go you one further on that: Anyone who claims to be a pro-abortion Christian (of any denomination) is deluding him/herself.

10 posted on 07/18/2008 9:40:24 AM PDT by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

All Protestants should be pro-life as well...at least those that proclaim the veracity of the Bible.

“They view their RC affiliation as political rather than one of Faith.”

...or as Al Gore put it, “My faith tradition...”


11 posted on 07/18/2008 9:40:57 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: rrstar96
I was hoping to find something like this...
'This website is not affiliated with the campaign of Barack Obama or with the Roman Catholic Church.'
It's at the bottom of the web page
12 posted on 07/18/2008 9:41:18 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: rrstar96

What next, Jews for Hitler?


13 posted on 07/18/2008 9:41:46 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: papertyger

Still takes two to tango.


14 posted on 07/18/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (I like, pork.)
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To: rrstar96

these children who are aborted at this stage are either handicapped or suspected of being handicapped. This is the largely ignored variable in the discussion of partial birth or near full term abortions. Men and women of goodwill have to join the effort to save these children,”first they came for the disabled....then they came for me”.


15 posted on 07/18/2008 9:44:10 AM PDT by lmc12
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To: WakeUpAndVote
Still takes two to tango.

"Tango" isn't the issue; abortion is the issue, and no one but a woman can exercise that option.

16 posted on 07/18/2008 9:49:56 AM PDT by papertyger (Life is like a turtle on a fence post...)
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To: HamiltonJay
Those that call themselves pro-abortion Catholics, are deluding themselves.

Those that call themselves pro-abortion Catholics, are not Catholics at all. They have ex-communicated themselves. They can call themselves Catholics until blue in the face, but it will not change the fact. If they receive communion in the state of mortal sin they commit a more grievous sin, in my opinion.

17 posted on 07/18/2008 9:49:58 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Always Right
There were some, if not outright "for" Hitler, they did the bidding of his minions. They were the kapos, the collaborators, of the camps and ghettos. And they were the most hated by their fellow Jews, because they enabled the murderers of their fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons, and daughters.

Human history at it's bloodiest. It teaches us that there will always be butchers around who are willing to do the bloody bidding of their masters. Then they attempt to rationalize their killing by legal and verbal gymnastics.

So-called Catholics who support Obama and his abortion stance are stained with the same blood that is on Obama's hands. They should all be ex-communicated, if the teaching of the Church is to carry any moral import. They need to learn the hard way that they cannot serve two Masters, and they need to choose which one they will serve, Moloch (abortion), or Christ (life).

18 posted on 07/18/2008 9:52:43 AM PDT by chimera
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To: HamiltonJay

There’s a new push today to have secondary issues such “social” issues such as the laundry list above take the weight of precedence over abortion. And the whole death penalty thing is bunk. The Church is NOT against the death penalty when correctly applied.


19 posted on 07/18/2008 9:58:01 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Sacajaweau
There is no difference in killing a one year old and a baby in the womb...except age.

Indeed, radicals on the left believe that the difference in age inst really important, only the level of convenience or lack thereof represented by a baby. As evidence, I cite Princeton University Professor of Ethics Peter Singer (from his own website):

Newborn human babies have no sense of their own existence over time. So killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living. That doesn’t mean that it is not almost always a terrible thing to do. It is, but that is because most infants are loved and cherished by their parents, and to kill an infant is usually to do a great wrong to its parents.

In the words of another great intellectual of our age, Barrack Obama:

But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.

20 posted on 07/18/2008 9:59:18 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
It's not a mistake like on a term paper. It's a mistake to have sex without taking the responsibility of YOUR ACTIONS.

The action was DELIBERATE. The MISTAKE was not taking responsibility.....something Obama noted to his fellow blacks before Jesse cut off his OO.

21 posted on 07/18/2008 10:03:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: rrstar96

I am one Catholic firmly AGAINST Obama...and you can add a voting husband and 7 of his siblings and all of their spouses and his parents...

In fact, I am the one who has any Catholic D voters in the family (I know...so sad) but they are full of $&@* on all political issues and haven’t followed a Catholic doctrine...probably ever...


22 posted on 07/18/2008 10:05:03 AM PDT by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Gathering of Eagles....its our turn.....)
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To: Alex Murphy
There are a lot of self-deluded Catholics, then.

More likely a lot of people who think they are Catholic but aren't; having earned themselves a latae sententiae excommunication by their involvement in the pro-abortion cause.

23 posted on 07/18/2008 10:10:27 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: HamiltonJay

-they frequent my church, and I do not understand them.


24 posted on 07/18/2008 10:11:46 AM PDT by tioga
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To: rrstar96

“Who are these Catholics? They are an eclectic bunch, from politicians like Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), Democratic Governor Tim Kaine (Va.), Democratic Governor Bill Richardson (N.M.), Representative Patrick Kennedy (D-Mass.), Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.), and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) to Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team.”

These people are CINO’s Catholics in name only and probably don’t practice the Catholic religion. In reality they should be ex-communicated, but unfortunately that will not happen.


25 posted on 07/18/2008 10:12:12 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich

Thanks for sharing that HRWR. It seems to me here at FR we have been down this road about a billion times.

But here being anti-Catholic remains the one prejudice to be proud of to many.

What the deal is that people whom call themselves Catholic but never attend service and there is a lot of them, tend to be liberal.

Those that attend once a week or more are very conservative.

I don’t think this has changed much in the last 20 years and if anything I’d wager the divide is greater now than ever.


26 posted on 07/18/2008 10:14:16 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: rrstar96
to Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team.

That one shocked me. I don't know much about Dan Rooney but Art Rooney was a true Catholic. This article has depressed the hell out of me.

27 posted on 07/18/2008 10:18:16 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Alex Murphy
There are a lot of self-deluded Catholics, then.

There sure are, but the election in '04 gave me some hope - my best friend, a far better Catholic than I will ever be, and a lifelong Democrat, could not bring herself to vote for Kerry. She had managed to vote for all the Protestant pro-abort candidates, but said that the Catholic Kerry knew better. I was REALLY hoping for another pro-abort Catholic Democrat this time. Maybe Obama will pick Bob Casey (whose Dad is undoubtedly spinning in his grave) for his running mate.

28 posted on 07/18/2008 10:19:01 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Alex Murphy
There are a lot of self-deluded Catholics, then.

You can add Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and every other sectlet claiming to be Christian to that list as well. The vast majority of folks backing bambi who call themselves Christian are NOT Catholic, after all.

29 posted on 07/18/2008 10:20:43 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I’m speachless...


30 posted on 07/18/2008 10:22:28 AM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: rrstar96

The pols named are Catholic in name only. I would think that Casey’s father is weeping in heaven over his son’s backing of barry. And, any Catholic that uses “Catholic Social Teaching” as an excuse for voting for the party of death, should be ashamed, because they do not understand what this party is about.


31 posted on 07/18/2008 10:29:50 AM PDT by mom-7
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To: papertyger
"May God grant us the clarity to see politicians aren’t responsible for abortion: women are."

Bingo. It's called choice. Politicians won't be able to end what moralists haven't. If women don't think it is wrong, neither will politicians. Don't put the cart before the horse, convince women first. Constitution prohibiting alcohol didn't work either.

32 posted on 07/18/2008 10:31:55 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: rrstar96

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33 posted on 07/18/2008 10:32:01 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Alex Murphy
There are a lot of self-deluded Catholics, then.

A more honest conclusion would have been, "There are a lot of self-deluded Christians in America." But that would get in the way of your trolling.
34 posted on 07/18/2008 10:37:33 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: Norman Bates

Exactly.

Vatican critiques of the death penalty have never been against the actual punishment of death for crimes, they have only criticised its application and fairness of the system that applies it.

Those that believe that Catholicims does not understand and recognize the distinction between guilt and innocence are fools.

Those that try to bring up the tired and idiotic catch phrase statement of “how can you be anti-abortion and pro death penalty” or such are folks who can’t distinguish the difference between guilt and innocence. Catholicism quite handily makes the distinctions. THose that try to portray holding those 2 views as hypocritical to one another are simply put intellectually dishonest, or just intellectually challenged.


35 posted on 07/18/2008 10:48:49 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: kenmcg

I would not want to be in their shoes when these CINO’s meet God. They have excommunicated themselves by supporting abortion and commit a grave sin by taking the Sacrements of the Roman Catholic Church. My opinion is that their only hope is God’s mercy.


36 posted on 07/18/2008 10:49:17 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: tioga

They may frequent the church, but the clearly have absolutely no understanding of the churches teachings. Showing up for mass every week does not remotely mean you have been exposed to or understand the doctrine of the Church, or more frighteningly the word of God.

The Catholic Church takes untold heat for its stands on abortion and birth control, but when you actually bother to find out how those stands are drawn from the basic fundamental truths of the world and God, there is truly no other conclusion one can make.

The rhetorical attacks the Church endures by those that hate her, are by and large based on complete ignorance.


37 posted on 07/18/2008 10:53:29 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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You cannot be both Christian and pro-choice on abortion. The two are diametrically opposed—polar opposites. If you think you are both you are living a lie.

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

38 posted on 07/18/2008 3:01:16 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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Abortion and Excommunication
May 20, 2004

Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication.

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which has already been brought, in other words, a sentence or judgment which does not need a future additional judgment from someone in authority; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)

Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, n. 57: “Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, and in communion with the Bishops of the Catholic Church, I confirm that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being is always gravely immoral. This doctrine, based upon that unwritten law which man, in the light of reason, finds in his own heart (cf. Rom 2:14-15), is reaffirmed by Sacred Scripture, transmitted by the Tradition of the Church and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.”

Obtaining an Abortion

Any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly obtains a procured abortion commits a mortal sin and is also automatically excommunicated, under canon 1398.

Under the laws of secular society, if one person commits a crime, then anyone who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for that person to commit that crime is called an accessory to that crime and is also subject to the penalties of law. Similarly, any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for any woman to procure an abortion also commits a mortal sin and also incurs the same sentence of excommunication.

Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

Believing in Abortion

Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral commits the sin of heresy. The sin of heresy also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

Unfortunately, some Catholics obstinately deny that abortion is always immoral, and some Catholics claim that abortion can, at times, be a morally-acceptable choice, and some Catholics claim that a person can, in good conscience, choose abortion. Under the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, canons 751 and 1364, all such Catholics are automatically excommunicated for the sin of heresy.

This sentence of latae sententiae excommunication applies to any Catholic who denies that abortion is gravely immoral, regardless of whether they keep this denial hidden or publicly reveal it.

Promoting Abortion

Those Catholics who publicly announce their denial that abortion is always gravely immoral, or who publicly promote abortion, or who publicly argue in favor of legalized abortion, also commit a mortal sin and also incur a sentence of automatic excommunication.

This sentence of excommunication applies to Catholics who are politicians, as well as to those Catholics who are political commentators, or public speakers, or who write or otherwise publicly communicate their erroneous view that abortion can be morally-acceptable or that abortion should be legal. This sentence of excommunication also certainly applies to those Catholics who claim to be theologians or Biblical scholars, but who believe or teach that abortion is not always gravely immoral.

Those Catholics who promote abortion are automatically excommunicated for two reasons. First, they have fallen into the sin of heresy by believing that abortion is not always gravely immoral (canons 751 and 1364). Second, these Catholics are providing substantial assistance for women to obtain abortions by influencing public policy to make abortions legal, and to keep abortions legal, and to broaden access to abortion. Those who provide such substantial assistance commit a mortal sin and incur a sentence of automatic excommunication (canon 1398).

Voting for Abortion

Any Catholic politician who casts a vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion, commits a mortal sin.

When such a vote indicates that the Catholic politician believes that abortion is not always gravely immoral, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canons 751 and 1364, because of heresy.

When such a vote is intended to have the effect of making abortion legal, or more easily obtainable, or more widely available, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canon 1398, as someone who is attempting to provide substantial or essential means for women to obtain abortions. Catholic politicians who pass laws which legalize, protect, or widen access to abortion, are providing essential assistance to women who want to obtain abortions.

It is not sufficient for Catholic politicians to claim that they are “personally opposed” to abortion. If any Catholic politician favors legalized abortion, despite a claim of personal opposition, such a politician commits a mortal sin by promoting abortion and by voting in favor of abortion.

The same is true for any Catholic who casts any vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion. Such a voter commits a mortal sin and incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication for two reasons. First, they are committing the sin of heresy by believing that abortion should be legal and available. Second, they are committing the grievous sin of providing women with substantial or essential assistance in obtaining abortions, by attempting to legalize or broaden access to abortion.

However, if, for a period of time, Catholic politicians and voters are unable to enact a law prohibiting all abortion, then Catholic politicians and voters may in good conscience vote for whichever law offers the greatest restrictions and limits on abortion. Subsequently, Catholic politicians and voters are required by the moral law to continue to enact further restrictions and limits on abortion, to the greatest extent possible, and, at every possible opportunity, to vote for laws which completely outlaw abortion.

Voting for Politicians

In general, the moral law requires Catholic voters to vote for those candidates who oppose abortion over those who favor abortion. However, there are exceptions to this general principle. For example, if a political candidate favors abortion, but is a member of a party which generally opposes abortion, a Catholic voter may, in good conscience, vote for that candidate, with the intention of giving more political power to the party which opposes abortion.

In another case, a Catholic voter might, in good conscience, vote for a pro-abortion candidate, if the political office would offer no opportunity for the elected candidate to vote for or against abortion. Even so, every Catholic voter should consider that anyone who supports abortion, as if it were a woman’s right, or as if it could ever be a moral choice, must necessarily be someone who has a seriously limited understanding of morality and justice. Such a person would not often be the better candidate for any office in place of one who understands that abortion is gravely immoral.

In every case, a Catholic should vote in such a way as to obtain as many restrictions on abortion as possible, and so as to obtain the end to legalized abortion as soon as possible.

Constitutional Amendment

Within any constitutional form of government, it would be ideal to have a constitutional clause or amendment which permanently and completely outlaws all procured abortions. Such an amendment must ban all abortions, regardless of circumstance, so that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent prenatal human being will be always contrary to human law, just as it is always contrary to the moral law.

A constitutional amendment can permit certain medical procedures, which are absolutely necessary to save the life of the mother, and which indirectly result in the unintended and unsought death of the prenatal, only if there is no possible way to save the life of the prenatal. A prenatal is defined as any human being from conception to birth. Every reasonable effort should be made to save the lives of both mother and prenatal. If the life of the prenatal can be saved by no other possible option than by risking or allowing the death of the mother, then the prenatal must be saved.

Catholic teaching clearly allows for certain medical procedures, which indirectly and involuntarily result in the death of the prenatal, to save the life of the mother, but only when all options to save the life of the prenatal have been exhausted. Such a procedure is not an abortion and is not an exception wherein abortion is allowed.

On the other hand, a constitutional amendment which bans abortion with exceptions for various cases, such as rape, incest, or a risk to the mother’s life, would be worse than having no such amendment at all.

Any woman who is willing to commit the sin of abortion, would also be willing to lie. If a constitutional amendment permitted abortion in cases of rape, then any woman willing to lie and to falsely claim that she was raped, would be able to also claim that she had a constitutional right to an abortion. The result would be that a constitutional amendment, which seems to ban abortion with some exceptions, would end up giving every woman who is willing to tell a lie, a purported constitutional right to abortion. This situation would be worse than having no such constitutional amendment at all.

Therefore, the only acceptable pro-life constitutional amendment would be one that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, bans all procured abortions without exception.

Here is an example of a just constitutional amendment protecting human life.


--- by Ronald L. Conte Jr.




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39 posted on 07/18/2008 3:30:03 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
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40 posted on 07/18/2008 8:21:03 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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There is no way that Catholics can vote for Obama!

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

41 posted on 07/18/2008 8:23:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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42 posted on 07/18/2008 8:24:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I hate to say this, but many Catholics don't view abortion as important as caring for the poor. And this isn't just nominal non church going ones either.

We live in Davenport, and a lot of the Catholics in that diocese are pro Obama and pro choice. Every sermon I have heard there has at least one mention of being anti war and how horrible business is. They have also had more sex scandals per capita than just about anywhere else.

That is why my bride belongs to the Peoria diocese. The priest has a taste for English sports cars (with their horrible wiring), but is other wise a very orthodox guy

43 posted on 07/19/2008 7:18:36 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Should also say that the pro Obama crowd is big in other churches that should know better.


44 posted on 07/19/2008 7:19:24 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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