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To: jpl
the majority of people who don't follow this sort of stuff as closely as we do here at F.R. will generally swallow most of what they hear.

They'll swallow what they hear and, worse, they'll dismiss what they don't hear on the nightly news out of hand.

Try telling your Average Joe/Jane that Mohammed Atta tried to get a $650,000 loan from the Department of Agriculture to turn a twin-engine passenger plane into a crop-duster, or that he lived within three miles of the American Media building in Boca Raton, or that he was prescibed Cipro after going to a doctor with red, swollen hands. Try telling them that Ahmed Alhaznawi was treated for cutaneous anthrax in Fort Lauderdale in June, 2001 (Alhaznawi had also attempted to get a crop-dusting plane that summer). They'll look at you like you're talking about some fabled swamp monster.

I think it's pretty obvious the hijackers were trained at Salman Pak and given Iraqi anthrax. And if that truth is ever known, the case against the Iraq war and the entire democrat left crumbles like a house of cards. That's why this is the most politicized murder investigation since the Kennedy assassination. An entire political party's fortunes are dependent on one, and only one, outcome.

83 posted on 08/01/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Best. Press Secretary. Ever. ~~ RIP, Tony)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I have to say I find it more than a little unusual that this guy supposedly killed himself on Tuesday, the government has supposedly been investigating him for a long time, and yet this doesn’t hit the news until early Friday morning.


84 posted on 08/01/2008 11:40:54 AM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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To: jpl; Mitchell; Allan; TrebleRebel; piasa; ZACKandPOOK; cgk; Battle Axe; hole_n_one; oyez; weegee; ..

Initial analysis:

A poster long ago said the harassment of Hatfill was to drive him crazy to kill himself, voila, case solved. Hatfill didn’t crack.

But remember, there was Ken Berry. He cracked, but beat up his family instead. He had a beachhouse on central jersy shore.

1. Ivins is weird and his brother doesn’t like him. so what? From everything I’ve read at FR all these biowar guys are weird.

2. Ivins lives 3.5 hours from Princeton. So what? And what about a central Jersey connection for him, i.e., the school and return addresses.

3. Ivins is sloppy. This is one of the stupidest implied arguments for his guilt. He didn’t clean up the table! Does that mean he’s guilty-or lazy?

4. “The payout to Hatfill.. was an essential step to clear the way for prosecuting Ivins, according to lawyers familiar with the matter.” Of course, many predicted the FBI would not “catch the culprit” until after the Hatfill case was settled/ended. What does it say about the FBI that they were more concerned by the implications of their conduct, and potential payout, in the Hatfill case, rather than protect the public from the alleged guilty party?

5. “But Ivins’ recollections should have raised serious questions about his veracity and his intentions, according to some of those familiar with the investigation.” — Oh, please, and Hatfill lied on his resume too. He lied about being lazy, so what? Would the killer be a more methodical type?

6. “He didn’t have any more money to spend on legal fees. He was much more emotionally labile, in terms of sensitivity to things, than most scientists. . . . He was very thin-skinned.” Signs of lack of guilt IMO, not guilty. FBI was crushing him. SOP. See Hatfill, Berry.


85 posted on 08/01/2008 11:56:13 AM PDT by Shermy (I'm very proud of America giving me this opportunity. It's a sign of enormous growth in this country)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It’s always hilarious to hear the silly rationalizations about the giant gubbmint conspiracy to cover up that the anthrax attacks were from AQ or Iraq.


86 posted on 08/01/2008 12:21:45 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

...and the fact that the 9/11 hijackers spent the night in New Jersey before going to Boston to carry out their plot to bring down the towers...and at least one of the anthrax letters was mailed from New Jersey before the highjackings.


99 posted on 08/01/2008 1:46:02 PM PDT by hockeyfan
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Try telling your Average Joe/Jane that Mohammed Atta tried to get a $650,000 loan from the Department of Agriculture to turn a twin-engine passenger plane into a crop-duster, or that he lived within three miles of the American Media building in Boca Raton, or that he was prescibed Cipro after going to a doctor with red, swollen hands. Try telling them that Ahmed Alhaznawi was treated for cutaneous anthrax in Fort Lauderdale in June, 2001 (Alhaznawi had also attempted to get a crop-dusting plane that summer). They’ll look at you like you’re talking about some fabled swamp monster.

I think it’s pretty obvious the hijackers were trained at Salman Pak and given Iraqi anthrax. And if that truth is ever known, the case against the Iraq war and the entire democrat left crumbles like a house of cards. That’s why this is the most politicized murder investigation since the Kennedy assassination. An entire political party’s fortunes are dependent on one, and only one, outcome.


Well said.


119 posted on 08/01/2008 5:12:33 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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