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Huggies Wow; I'm a Gymnast Now; Underage Chinese Olympic Gymnasts Rant, Bella Caroli is Right
Associated Content ^ | August 12, 2008 | Michael Luchies

Posted on 08/13/2008 12:32:54 AM PDT by joinedafterattack

Huggies wow; I'm a gymnast now! I am watching the Olympics right now and couldn't be more upset watching a sporting event. I am not mad that the country I am routing for (United States) is falling apart, not mad because the only event they are showing is gymnastics, but furious because several of the gymnasts are clearly under the 16 year old age requirement. Bella Caroli himself made a comment during the broadcast that the Chinese gymnasts were under 16 but since they had "legitimate" passports, they are allowed to compete. Aren't the Olympics supposed to be the purist form of sports? Will cheating in sports ever end?

Obviously I have absolutely no evidence or proof that any of the gymnasts in the olympics are under the age of 16. But if you are fortunate to have a set of eyes and common sense you can clearly see that the women...sorry little girls that are putting on an amazing show are barely toilet trained. Ok that may be a little harsh but look at them! Many of the Chinese girls do not come up to the shoulders of any other countries athletes. I think I saw someone on the balance beam who didn't have teeth yet. Are they midgets? Is there a national problem in China with women who have stunted growth?

These girls are unbelievable, but still little girls who have no life outside of gymnastics. They are sent by their parents as young as 3 off to train for the Olympics. Sometimes they are even able to see their parents once every other year.

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To: half-cajun

Yep, range issues are helped.
But these little girls can all bend their spine like rubber bands because they are still all kid with no progression towards adulthood.


101 posted on 08/13/2008 9:00:58 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

A forensic expert said that some of them still had baby teeth and the head shape and iris/white ratios of younger children.

It’s obvious: The world sees it. China loses more (How’s THAT possible?!) credibility.

When you’re a known liar, nothing you say means anything.


102 posted on 08/13/2008 9:05:15 AM PDT by bannie
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To: VermiciousKnid

Now that you mention it it, yes, it would. It had not occurred to me.


103 posted on 08/13/2008 9:57:22 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: garandgal

right on garandgal!!

“and to realize that NO ONE in charge is going to do anything about it, had to have been a crushing blow before they ever set foot on the competition floor.”

Those who are in charge talk a good game.
They’ll kick you out of there if you take the wrong allergy medicine.
But when china blatantly violates the rules in Athens, and now in these olympics, it as if to say “go ahead - try to stop us”

“And, spare us the “we are just not used to how young the Asians look” crap. This is elite level gymnastics; I’m sure that every other coach and team knows exactly who these children are...and exactly how old they are.”

Yes, and I know from experience - that wealthy american families who travel to china to adopt abandoned girls, are coming home and enrolling these babes in american gymnastics programs.
We see chinese girls all the time.

“I expect you will hear more about it after our athletes have finished competition and are out of China.”

one can only hope.


104 posted on 08/13/2008 10:05:21 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: hobbitslikepotatoes
I am not arguing that the age observations are wrong, just that westerners are generally not qualified to make them.I also believe that that government is probably using underage girls just because the younger ones tend to be more nimble and lose some of that as they reach puberty. China cares nothing for anything but gold medals and glory to show the superiority of China and Communism. Communist governments are not capable of not cheating if it enhances their results. Remember the Soviet Union and the other Soviet countries before the fall of the Soviet Empire and the genetically and physically male contestants that competed in the Olympics and other international Games as WOMEN.
105 posted on 08/13/2008 10:05:36 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

That is precisely the line I referred to. It apears to be a reference to Americans and Europeans believing East Asian body shapes and appearances as being illegitimate. And Americans , in fact, often see it that way- including some posters on FR.


106 posted on 08/13/2008 10:08:10 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: diverteach

“while China’s were either overlooked or lightly penalized for thiers.”

The first chinese floor routine was embarrassingly terrible.
She was a little kid who was walking around.
Judges are supposed to heavily deduct for unchoreographed steps even at beginning levels of gymnastics.
It is embarrassing to the sport that an olympic level athlete plodded about like that at this level - and even worse that the judges didn’t take the deduction.


107 posted on 08/13/2008 10:11:20 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: irishjuggler
Any mother knows those girls were NOT 16, especially gymnastic mothers, (like me), LOL.

Regardless of ethnicity.

108 posted on 08/13/2008 10:13:25 AM PDT by roses of sharon (SAVE YOUR GAS RECIEPTS, SEND TO PELOSI!)
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To: MississippiMasterpiece

” If the Chinese gymnasts were underage and had a couple more years to practice, I’m assuming the American team would have been beaten worse.”

A basic misunderstanding of the sport.
If 10-114 yr. olds are fair game, then certainly we also have a pool of pre-pubescents who can swing bars without having to break their bodyline.

Ask any gymnast this question..

Was it easier or more difficult to perform bars at age 11 or age 17?


109 posted on 08/13/2008 10:15:43 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: DemonDeac

“Female gymnasts often fail to hit puberty until they are done with the sport because of how rigorous it is. It stunts you.”

oh sure - that’s why none of our girls look like their ages.


110 posted on 08/13/2008 10:19:00 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: joinedafterattack

I think that China was cheating in gymnastics as well. The whole time I was hoping they would lose because they were obviously cheating with the age requirement.


111 posted on 08/13/2008 10:19:04 AM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: garandgal
Fine by me. You could be exactly right about the age of the Chinese gymnasts.

That said, the American team doesn't have the obvious dominance of the US Men's Swim Team in that no matter who the rest of the world put up against them in competition, they were going down.

If the US Women's gymnastics team performed like that, we wouldn't be having this conversation about how old the Chinese cheaters were. The age of the Chinese gymnasts didn't cause certain members of the US Women's team to stumble and blow their routine.

112 posted on 08/13/2008 10:19:14 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: petitfour

” I don’t know if the skills have lower difficulty levels and that’s why we don’t see them as often at the Elite level or not. “

totally different rules.
College rules are much - much easier


113 posted on 08/13/2008 10:21:09 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: SoftballMominVA

“Since you seem to have some knowledge about gymnastics - do you know when the uneven bars were pulled apart so that the girls can’t do some of the skills that used to be done with going from the low bar to the high, belly twirls and slams and backward flies to the high beam?”

Between the ‘84 and ‘88 olympics and then incrementally further and further apart after that.

This was when I went to college and didn’t do much with bars because I was too tall to adapt to the new skills.


114 posted on 08/13/2008 10:23:13 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: The KG9 Kid

American’s lost, no argument,but there is absolutely no way that one girl is a day over 13.

Frankly I’m getting tired of just seeing gymnastics, swimming and volleyball... NBC should at least be playing highlights of the other sports.. why am I sitting here watching 10 minutes of warmups for Gymnastics when dozens of events were held that day?


115 posted on 08/13/2008 10:25:46 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: joinedafterattack
Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes. We lost because we counldn’t compete against the 12-year-olds.

Granted the kids did look young, but even the 20-year-old captain of the team looked like a 12-year-old. What is needed is proof and an open investigation.

BTW, when did they set the age limit at 16. I remember in prior Olympics, they had athletes much younger than that.

116 posted on 08/13/2008 10:29:08 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: The KG9 Kid

“The age of the Chinese gymnasts didn’t cause certain members of the US Women’s team to stumble and blow their routine.”

no - but I’m sure there are american 11 and 12 yr. old dynamos on bars who could have made our team.


117 posted on 08/13/2008 10:30:04 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Fishing-guy

“Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes. We lost because we counldn’t compete against the 12-year-olds.”

a bunch of 16 & 17 yr. olds on bars isn’t a match for pre-pubescents on bars.
Bars are much much easier prior to puberty.

“Granted the kids did look young, but even the 20-year-old captain of the team looked like a 12-year-old.”

She had breasts and an older looking face.
She had adult teeth.


118 posted on 08/13/2008 10:32:24 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Fishing-guy

The only way to know for sure if to cut them in half at the middle and count the rings.


119 posted on 08/13/2008 10:32:55 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree...I haven’t seen any of the equestrian events on TV. I wanted to see some of the eventing and showjumping, but I haven’t seen anything on regarding that. Beezie Maden is an Olympic gold medalist in showjumping and I never see any profiles of her on TV.


120 posted on 08/13/2008 10:33:08 AM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: ThanhPhero

> That is precisely the line I referred to. It apears to be a reference to Americans and Europeans believing East Asian body shapes and appearances as being illegitimate.

I defer to your judgment on attitudes toward Asians as you are better equipped than I to have a view on that.

However, the line I cited speaks about PATENTS — that is to say, the protection of Intellectual Property and inventions. That is the part that I choked on (I’m a part-time inventor).

How did that relate to Asian body types, in your view?


121 posted on 08/13/2008 10:34:54 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: BJungNan

Ok, I give, how old is she?


122 posted on 08/13/2008 10:39:12 AM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: Valentine_W

Sunday morning they televised the eventing dressage on USA channel around 10:00 EST. The cross country phase was on Oxygen on Monday at 6:00 EST and the stadium jumping on Tuesday, Oxygen at 6:00 EST.

There seems to be more equestrian coverage than ever, and I was even suprise to see graphics with the test movements for some of the dressage riders. The announcers were also giving the movement scores during the rides.

I don’t know what the rest of the schedule is but imagine it’s on the NBC website.


123 posted on 08/13/2008 10:39:44 AM PDT by cjshapi (Proudly posting without a tagline since 2001)
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To: Scotswife

Then get them some passports. Seems like the answer.


124 posted on 08/13/2008 10:43:59 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: cjshapi

Thanks for the info...I have basic cable, but nothing more than that. I think I get the USA channel, but definitely not Oxygen.


125 posted on 08/13/2008 10:44:36 AM PDT by Valentine_W
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It seems to be analogy that uses a continuous source of irritation between the US and China for its reference. The analogy is weak in a forum where many users simply do not understand analogy and irony. I may be wrong but that would then be the only line in the post that would be offensive and I would not attribute malevolence to the poster until I see other things that would be consistent with a literal take on the phrase in question. I understand your sensitivity to the use of the word “patent,” though.


126 posted on 08/13/2008 11:39:14 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: The KG9 Kid

well...I think that’s what Karoyli was suggesting.
He remembers how the young’uns were easier to deal with.


127 posted on 08/13/2008 12:24:09 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: joinedafterattack

128 posted on 08/13/2008 12:37:03 PM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: Scotswife

Of course college rules are different and easier. They don’t call Elite gymnastics “elite” for nothing. The point is that there are skills that are no longer done because they contribute no points to the difficulty level. They look cool, but they’re not comparable to the skills that Nastia does.

I think what would help some of these posters understand that the US has Elite level Bars dynamos is film footage. And then to compare the same girls floor routines to the older girls. 14 is the age when I noticed the junior elites hit puberty. And they had to work that much harder to maintain their skill levels. Or they began to think about NOT going to the Olympics vs. working for a college scholarship. The young ladies who continue training at the Elite level are some real tough cookies! (not that the other gals aren’t. they keep training, but you can visibly see the stress relief when they quit worrying about pleasing the powers that be in the US gymnastics hierarchy.)


129 posted on 08/13/2008 2:10:40 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: petitfour

Oops. I meant to say Junior Elite level Bars dynamos.


130 posted on 08/13/2008 2:12:23 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: BJungNan

Comparing apples and oranges, BJungNan.

People are judging the ChiComm’s girl’s ages based in TV images, not on a static photo. Apparently some are seeing things in TV images to question ages based on movements and other factors.

You’ve been around here long enough to know better than to pull such a stupid stunt and ask us to guess an age based on a still image. The data is greatly limited in a still image and enhanced in moving image.

What’s your purpose for asking?


131 posted on 08/13/2008 2:32:54 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: BJungNan

You asked us to guess and post... fourteen hours later and still you have not posted the answer!

How ‘bout it pal!


132 posted on 08/13/2008 2:58:10 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: JDoutrider

I don’t live on FR. Some of us have day jobs.


133 posted on 08/13/2008 7:27:21 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: spotbust1

22


134 posted on 08/13/2008 7:29:53 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: JDoutrider

22


135 posted on 08/13/2008 7:30:07 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: irishjuggler

22


136 posted on 08/13/2008 7:30:32 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: JDoutrider

22


137 posted on 08/13/2008 7:30:45 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

22!

I was off by three years... used to date a lovely Chinese Lady who looked 18, but was 38!

I don’t live on FR either! I retired comfortably at age 47, and don’t need no stinkin day job! Taxes are just as bad/worse however!


138 posted on 08/13/2008 8:53:34 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Obama: The Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: JDoutrider

Actually, I enjoy my time as well. I was woodworking today to finish the wife’s vanity table. A choice of that or post to FR.

Now time for a dip in the pool to get all this sawdust off of me.


139 posted on 08/13/2008 8:55:42 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan

Lucky Asian women. They never get old. ;-)


140 posted on 08/13/2008 9:00:50 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: BJungNan
OK, I'm guessing...22?

;-)

141 posted on 08/13/2008 9:14:43 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: petitfour

“14 is the age when I noticed the junior elites hit puberty. And they had to work that much harder to maintain their skill levels. Or they began to think about NOT going to the Olympics vs. working for a college scholarship. The young ladies who continue training at the Elite level are some real tough cookies! (not that the other gals aren’t. they keep training, but you can visibly see the stress relief when they quit worrying about pleasing the powers that be in the US gymnastics hierarchy.)”

Oh definitely!
They can begin to lead a more normal life.
They don’t have to keep testing and re-testing a gazillion times just to retain their “elite” ranking.

And what have these olympics - so far - taught anyone that is borderline?
This pushes them towards the college scholarship.


142 posted on 08/13/2008 11:07:56 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: DieHard the Hunter; sergeantdave; ThanhPhero; indcons; jmc813

I am an Australia simply perusing your site yesterday when this topic took my interest. I did not realise having only just joined, with no profile information and my reply would automatically make me a “troll.” Interesting how easily we all fall into labelling people without any knowledge.

In reference to my point about patents, I was replying to ChiMark’s comment.

Don’t forget that China steals our patents.
18 posted on Wednesday, 13 August 2008 4:33:16 PM by ChiMark

I am as for intellectual rights as the next person, however, my statement was more about hypocrisy if an accuser is also a user of stolen property. At no point in my single reply did I condone this behaviour.

We are all so quick to judge, myself included.


143 posted on 08/14/2008 5:29:02 AM PDT by verse1
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To: verse1

> Interesting how easily we all fall into labelling people without any knowledge.

> We are all so quick to judge, myself included.

The judging and labeling process is greatly aided by first-time posters making obscure observations without an established context.

In your case, your apparent defense of the probably-underage ChiCom athletes coupled with a reference that seemed to validate ChiCom’s theft of IP led me to a logical conclusion — that you were possibly a troll and disruptor. We get those a fair bit on the Free Republic, and they are a jolly nuisance.

I apologize if I misjudged you. I hope that you can see that you did make it fairly easy for me to do so.

Welcome to the FRee Republic.


144 posted on 08/14/2008 5:38:38 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: verse1

A troll only to some very hypersensitive folks who are limited in perception and vocabulary. There are many posters here. If you are interested in FR and stick around, learn to just pass off some posters as background noise. It is not necessary to take them personally. Sometimes the same people even have a bit of information that is useful or a view that makes one think a bit more.


145 posted on 08/14/2008 6:51:13 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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