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Russian tanks enter central city: Georgian official
cbcnews.ca ^ | August 13, 2008 | CBC News

Posted on 08/13/2008 2:09:24 AM PDT by HarryCaul

The head of Georgia's national security council said Wednesday Russia has sent 50 tanks into the central Georgian city of Gori, despite an agreed-upon ceasefire calling on both sides to retreat to positions they held before fighting began six days ago.

Security council head Alexander Lomaia said that the tanks entered Gori about 9:45 a.m. local time, but there was no independent confirmation of his claim.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; gori; russia; war
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To: rbmillerjr; Cold Heat; Freedom of Speech Wins

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia#Demographics


201 posted on 08/13/2008 1:02:52 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: G8 Diplomat

Thanks....That brings me up to date for the most part. It seems like a pretty fair appraisal.


202 posted on 08/13/2008 1:21:31 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: myself6

“We should be annihilating the russian forces that remain in Georgia. They need to pull out NOW, or be wiped out by American Forces.”

How?

Where will the assets to wipe them out come from? How will they get there? How long will it take to move sufficient assets there, and what steps could russia take to neutralize a military build-up which would undoubtably take days?

This ignores collateral consequences, of course.


203 posted on 08/13/2008 1:43:17 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; TalBlack
Putinistas and Soviet loyalists are crawling all over these threads, mocking the forum and spreading massive amounts of disinformation.

And they’re getting away with it.

Exactly.

204 posted on 08/13/2008 2:13:44 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

LOL ;-)


205 posted on 08/13/2008 2:14:21 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Cindy; All
I read this but want to verify it. Has anyone read or heard anything about the Russians placing Medium Range Ballistic Missile Launchers (SS-21s) in South Ossentia?
206 posted on 08/13/2008 2:35:02 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: WoofDog123
Where will the assets to wipe them out come from? How will they get there? How long will it take to move sufficient assets there, and what steps could russia take to neutralize a military build-up which would undoubtably take days?

We have air assets sufficient to run them out of Georgia that are within range, in fact only a few hundred miles. But that's not the issue. The issue is to avoid a direct conflict if we can, and accomplish the same thing.

It's underway now. All we can do is hope that sanity rules, but I would not count on it.

207 posted on 08/13/2008 2:36:01 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: 444Flyer
Satellite data reveals that several have been fired, but they did not say where from.
208 posted on 08/13/2008 2:37:17 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: WoofDog123
This ignores collateral consequences, of course.

I have to make a major and important point here.

The Russians are obviously not currently worried about consequences. In order to counter this, we cannot be worried either. If we do that, they win this by default.

We have people who understand the Russians very well, and they are doing what they need to do. We can only watch and wait.

209 posted on 08/13/2008 2:42:21 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: 444Flyer; All

Here’s coverage you can look at. I’m sorry I can’t answer your question directly because I’m not in Georgia and cannot really confirm anything. -Cindy

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2055031/posts?page=427#427

Here’s news and views from Georgia you may want to follow:

http://www.messenger.com.ge

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Here’s the latest from Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402982,00.html

“Bush Orders Military to Deliver Aid to Georgia”
Wednesday, August 13, 2008

WASHINGTON —

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “The administration also spent Wednesday morning trying to document whether Russia is violating the cease-fire it agreed to institute with the former Soviet Republic. FOX News confirmed that Russian tanks entered the city of Gori, just 40 miles from Tbilisi, on Wednesday, after they were supposed to have withdrawn.”

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Videos and articles from INATODAY.com here:

http://www.inatoday.com


210 posted on 08/13/2008 2:54:50 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Thank you for all the links.:) You are doing an awesome job compiling information as always.

I just found this thread from Monday:

“Russians move 2 SS-21 Medium Range Ballistic Missile Launchers into South Ossentia”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2060310/posts


211 posted on 08/13/2008 3:02:49 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

Yes, I saw that in blog search, but I’m not familiar with that blog.

Thanks for pointing it out.


212 posted on 08/13/2008 3:14:22 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cold Heat

totally agreed, my rhetorical list of questions was directed at the previous poster I responded to, who pretty much advocated WW III today (not tomorrow). Even world-wars take time to move assets into position.


213 posted on 08/13/2008 3:24:28 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

I have to cut them some degree of slack. I am very upset about this as well. These folks are my ancestors as my Grand parents came here or more specifically fled from there in 1921. I have no friends there, but I hate seeing this happen again.


214 posted on 08/13/2008 3:28:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat (NO! (you can infer any meaning you choose))
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To: cookcounty
This gives Putin an "excuse" to take the Georgian port, since the fleet "can't go home."

The Russians bombed and destroyed the Georgian port in Georgia proper and have been blowing up Georgian ships in the port. The Russians have a port now in the North Western Autonomous Region of Georgia. They just cleared all the Georgian troops from that entire region.

215 posted on 08/13/2008 3:33:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: McGruff
did the Goergians, beat up the Russian team like the Hungarians did to the Soviet water polo team in 1956?
Blood in the Water at the 1956 Olympics
Revolution in Hungary! Flag of the New Republic Flies Over Melbourne!
http://www.la84foundation.org/10ap/SportsLetter-18-1/SLhome.html#stINT2
216 posted on 08/13/2008 5:45:00 PM PDT by rmlew (Liberalism is like AIDS; it destroys the natural defenses of a nation or civilization.)
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To: HarryCaul

It is over. Russia won’t go to the Georgian capital (to many heads of state there), but will tear the heck out of Georgia. Our aid will calm things down, but quite frankly we won’t do much else.


217 posted on 08/13/2008 6:23:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: HarryCaul

“That would explain why the journos haven’t seen anything.”

True, but another explanation is that the journalists had their eyes closed when the Russian tanks passed by.


218 posted on 08/13/2008 9:20:40 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: jhpigott

“BBC correspondent has visually confirmed this. Large number of armored vehicles moving at speed on the main highway from Gori to Tbilisi . . .

what’s the play . . . whether they are going into the captial our not this is not going to play well internationally. They may have had some modicum of support up to the cease fire, but it doesn’t look like Georgia breached the cease fire . .”

I am still wondering why the sovereign country of Russia is in the sovereign country of Georgia at all, for any reason.


219 posted on 08/13/2008 9:33:06 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: WoofDog123

We could... And Should provide air support for the Georgian ground forces out of bases in Iraq. Turkey is a Nato Nation and could provide the air route.

Our air forces alone could decimate the russian ground forces, air and naval assets. Allowing the Georgian ground forces to retake Georgia.

Sure.. What Ive stated is simplistic in its description but essentially correct. We do have the capability to completely obliterate the russian forces in that area through conventional means. We simply lack the will to do it. as of yet....

If Russia wants to escalate from there, so be it.

I refuse to appease russia in the same way that Germany was appeased before WWII. Each aggression against a free nation should be met with equal aggression in defense of that nation. We should not hope for them to stop, we should MAKE them stop.


220 posted on 08/14/2008 7:07:38 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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