Posted on 08/13/2008 10:11:33 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
This gets further complicated if his original birth certificate was sealed, due to his adoption by Mr. Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen afterwards. This would mean that anything in the *public* file would carry the name Barak Hussein Soetoro, and *not* Barak Hussein Obama. Its highly possible that he hasn't produced a valid certificate under the name Barak Hussein Obama, simply because he can't...
the infowarrior
The likely place would be Vancouver, or perhaps Victoria, which are convenient to Seattle. Vancouver General Hospital would be the most likely place. The newspapers in British Columbia would likely have had birth announcements (although someone found a birth announcement in a Hawaii paper).
Question:
Isn’t 17 very young for the mother to be enrolled in college?
....Bob
It seems to me that if a person wishes to run for public office, the burden of proving they’re qualified would fall on them. Or am I being too racist?
Five more and he's a cat.
Or just release it himself. A valid COLB, not a forgery this time.
How many countries has this guy been born in?
This is at least the third one I’m aware of. It shouldn’t be this difficult to produce a valid birth certificate.
I'll bet he just made it up and tossed it into his column as you might shake some pepper onto a salad.
If it's a hoax, it's a rather careless one, given the 23 August 1961 date. 23 July would have been more logical. Then you could say, see, she high-tailed it back to Hawaii, filed a false BC with the 4 August date, and got a birth announcement inserted into the local paper.
On yesterday's thread, Gemsbok suggested the "busy man" theory: Barack, Sr. knocked up a Canadian chick in between sessions with Stanley Ann, and she went and delivered the result somewhere in Canada, naming it after the father.
If he was born in a foreign country the law governing his status was passed in 1994 and made retroactive to December 24, 1952.
Here is the law:
a. As amended by Public Law 103-416 on October 25, 1994, section 301 states as follows with respect to persons born abroad:
b. Sec. 301. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
g. a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
Note that this condition applies retroactively to Obama, as the following condition makes clear:
l. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION:
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the immigration and nationality laws of the United States shall be applied (to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act) as though the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), had been in effect as of the date of their birth, except that the retroactive application of the amendment and that subsection shall not affect the validity of citizenship of anyone who has obtained citizenship under section 1993 of the Revised Statutes (as in effect before the enactment of the Act of May 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 797)).
(2) The retroactive application of the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), shall not confer citizenship on, or affect the validity of any denaturalization, deportation or exclusion action against, any person who is or was excludable from the United States under section 212(a)(3)(E) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182 (a)(3)(E)) (or predecessor provision) or who was excluded from, or who would not have been eligible for admission to, the United States under the Displaced Persons 1948 or under section 14 of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953.
This information comes from pp. 15-17 of the following U.S. State Department document:
7 FAM 1130
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY
BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENT
which is available in PDF format here:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
In 1961 Stanley Ann Dunham had lived in the United States for more than five years, two of which were after her 14th birthday. Obama is a natural born American citizen and therefore qualified to run for President under the Constitution. Much as I might prefer that not be so.
Credit for the above legal research is due to fellow FReeper snarks_when-bored. And it seems to kill the Obama is not a citizen theory dead.
If his mother was a US citizen would it matter that he was born in Canada?? Wouldn’t he still be a US citizen? Someone nicely tell me what I am missing!
“Would that be better or worse for McCain? I’m not so sure.”
It’d be worse. I’m sure.
On the other hand, blacks would be sure to stay away from the election booth after the riots.
If Obama does wind up on the ballot, his share of the vote will be at least ten percent less than the polls predicted - the Bradley Effect.
Need to get the National Enquirer reporters on this story.
Article II, Section 1:
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President,...
A President who is not eligible for the office cannot discharge its Powers and Duties, so the Vice-President would be sworn in.
However, since Barack Obama is a natural born citizen, the situation you imagined cannot happen. See my post #70 above.
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
"One might note that Dudley Dooright signed Barack's birth certificate, so we know this one is real too as it is posted online." LOL!
I think someone needs to hurry up to the Vancouver, Ontario Office of Vital Records and check this out!
One of my favorite times growing up was camping at the place they had used to film an old b&w TV show: “Sgt Preston, Royal Canadian Mounted Police”. It was not in Canada at all!
Question 2: Yes.
See my post #70 above for the relevant law.
I’ve been following this birth certificate thing with a degree of mild interest in the technical explanations and the genealogical implications.
Since we are all engaging in wild speculation at this stage, I’ll throw something else into the mix. There was a time in this country that families were willing to go to great lengths to conceal certain events that they considered to be a source of embarrasment amongst their circle of friends and neighbors. There was an entire cottage industry operating homes for unwed mothers, for example. In 1961, the Dunhams may have been upset over the effect that her daughter’s relationship would have in their social and business circles. I lived in Hawaii back then, and it was a melting pot, but not amongst the elite families and the Dunhams may have been wannabes.
Connected families can make all sorts of things happen. My great great grandfather was a Civil War hero, chairman of a Congressional Committee, and prominent attorney. Late in life, he married his daughter-in-law (she was a widow). All of the mavens and no doubt others went to great lengths to cover this up. Years later when I dug up the evidence there was a great hue and cry - I still have great aunts who won’t speak to me. But, someone helped things disappear from the public records and they almost did it right.
There is something fishy about BO and his COLB, just not sure what it is.
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