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Guys, i don't know how to tell you this, and i know it upsets a lot of science fiction, but there’s only 3 dimensions, up and down, back to front, and side to side. Time isn’t a dimension.

Of course time is a dimension. It's a 'coordinate', just as x, y and z. For example, if you are going to meet someone at a specific location somewhere, you need to also specify a time.

And time doesn’t go faster if the clock is taken into space.

Right, time SLOWS DOWN when you are moving, as seen from the point of view of an outside 'stationary' observer. This has already been proven in several tests involving airliners. In fact, GPS technology takes this effect into account in its calculations. i.e. the location seeking system relies on the signal delay time between several really fast moving satellites and your location on Earth.

Relativity in the Global Positioning System
Neil Ashby
Dept. of Physics, University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309–0390

Abstract: The Global Positioning System (GPS) uses accurate, stable atomic clocks in satellites and on the ground to provide world-wide position and time determination. These clocks have gravitational and motional frequency shifts which are so large that, without carefully accounting for numerous relativistic effects, the system would not work. This paper discusses the conceptual basis, founded on special and general relativity, for navigation using GPS. Relativistic principles and effects which must be considered include the constancy of the speed of light, the equivalence principle, the Sagnac effect, time dilation, gravitational frequency shifts, and relativity of synchronization. Experimental tests of relativity obtained with a GPS receiver aboard the TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite will be discussed. Recently frequency jumps arising from satellite orbit adjustments have been identified as relativistic effects. These will be explained and some interesting applications of GPS will be discussed.
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html

36 posted on 08/14/2008 8:06:50 AM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: ETL

Sorry,
you’re still wrong. time doesnt describe a spatial dimension. If i say i am meeting someone on a streetcorner, sure, time is a factor. BUT if i am describing the location of Times Square to you, time is most assuredly NOT a needed descriptor.

As to Airliners, Spaceships, GPS, and slowing time. Surely* you do not suggest that the mere accounting for mechanical signals lags, due to varying distances, somehow suggests that some form of time travel has occurred? Are you kidding? That time has actually slowed? Inaccuracy in measuring devices is *not* the same as time actually passing slower. Get it? Dont believe everything claimed today in the name of physics. A clock running slower, isn’t magically making time pass slower. Its an accuracy problem.


44 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:59 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", what title has islam earned from us?,)
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To: ETL

One second is defined as “the duration of 9192631770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom”
or,
1/31557600 of a Julian year.

And,,,Youre kidding, right? You actually, sincerely believe a unit of time somehow occurs *slower* if it happens in a fast moving airplane using a GPS? This is the logic of evidence used in the the witch trials. Time is fixed. Our measurents are probably necessarily doomed to be inadequate, but that doesn’t mean that actual “time” runs faster or slower. Besides, if time is not fixed, it can’t be a descriptor of a location as you claim it to be.
Time for another patch! Wait, theres a superstring or yet another unprovable invisible dimemsion that explains it all.
Please,,,,


49 posted on 08/14/2008 10:08:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", what title has islam earned from us?,)
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To: ETL

>>Right, time SLOWS DOWN

Einstein wasn’t even sure that time existed separately from the system in which it was observed.

The question “Does time exist” was a matter of debate among him and his peers.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Does+time+exist%22+einstein&btnG=Google+Search


55 posted on 08/14/2008 10:35:16 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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