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Foul-talking shopper stirs up a tempest at store in La Marque
Houston Chronicle ^ | Sug. 14, 2008 | PEGGY O'HARE

Posted on 08/14/2008 6:12:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus

If all storms had a name, this one would start with the letter F.

As Tropical Storm Edouard closed in on the Texas Gulf Coast last week, a storm of a different kind was brewing inside the sporting goods section of a Wal-Mart store in La Marque. It started with the F-word.

And now a 28-year-old single mother must go to court if she wants to fight a ticket for using profanity.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: arrest; criminal; donutwatch; edouard; fword; profanity; speech
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To: DJ MacWoW

Indeed!


21 posted on 08/14/2008 6:44:52 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Cincinatus; Ezekiel

Remove her flip-flops and scrub her mouth out with them.


22 posted on 08/14/2008 6:54:00 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: DJ MacWoW

When are people going to learn you can not regulate stupidity or morality. When she used that word do you think she actualy meant that the batteries were Efing. No of course not. Was it in good taste, no. Was it illegal worthy of a fine, definatley not. This all boils down to nothing more than trying to enforce thought crimes, trying to determine the intent of what someone actualy meant. We can refer to Vice president as Dick but you are cussing if you call him a dick? There is an old joke about the cat being a pussy and the rooster being a cock but for some reason if you use those two words together people get all up tight.


23 posted on 08/14/2008 6:54:51 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: All
I disagree with the people on this thread that think this is a good law, while I dislike and abhor people using this word in public as if it were a descriptive term to be applied in all situations involving language, I do not think we have the right to tell people what words they can or cannot use. This way leads to tyranny and always has.

This is the same thing as a muslim saying we can't make fun of the "prophet" or use certain expressions or words to describe their religion. This is no different and just as intolerable to me.

If you wish word police on every corner handing out tickets for saying Obamaosama or some other word or expression, just keep rooting for this law and this ticket and soon you will have your wish.

One more example, we on FR are always saying that the left has free speech for me but not for thee.

This law is in the same vain. FReepers who wouldn't use F*** think others shouldn't be allowed to use it because it offends them. However, they get highly upset when others claim they are offended by what FReepers say. Either we believe in free speech or we don't.

Keep your own counsel, don't use swear words and teach your children not to use them, especially in public. Let others do as they wish in regards to the words they use.

There is a time to bring law suits for libel and slander and there is a time for arguing and countering what other people say, but there is no reason ever to limit the actual words allowed to be spoken by others.

24 posted on 08/14/2008 6:56:19 AM PDT by calex59
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To: DJ MacWoW
"Using vulgarity in everyday speech is one of the things that contributes to moral decay."

Generally, it betrays a low intellect, underdeveloped vocabulary and poor upbringing...yet it has its place. My perspective is that foul verbiage is like salt or habanero peppers; a skillful chef introducing small amounts at just the right place can use them effectively to add a little humor, emphasis, passion or piquancy to a conversation. Excessive, repetitive or careless use of obscenity is just as palatable as being served a plate of rock salt and scotch bonnet peppers.

Having said all that, this matter is a perfect illustration on the need for virtue and morality in a free society. The notion of police and other law enforcement agencies addressing such matters is IMHO, counterproductive. If they are truly enforcing "community standards," why not let the community enforce them? If businesses serve cussing people, and neighbors and relatives condone or tolerate their behavior, then clearly, the swearing is not in violation of community standards. When people get ostracized for their immoral behavior, personal conduct tends to improve and no laws need be passed which trump free speech.

25 posted on 08/14/2008 6:59:23 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: calex59
A few years back I was spending my annual waste of time waiting my turn at the DMV to renew my plates. There was a desk in the front where people check in that was staffed by a friendly middle aged woman. After some time had passed, a teen-aged boy walked in the door wearing a tshirt with "F*ck You" emblazoned in large letters on the front. He stood at the desk, the woman gave him a glance then turned around and continued with her other tasks. He stood there in vain trying to get her attention, and after a few minutes I informed him that he was wasting his time. He seemed incredulous, then I merely said "I think she is saying "Same to 'ya"".

He cam back in five minutes later with his shirt turned inside out.

26 posted on 08/14/2008 7:07:16 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: eastforker
This all boils down to nothing more than trying to enforce thought crimes,

It wasn't a thought crime, the filth came out of her mouth.

You can excuse crudity all you like but what you get doing that is a single mother using vulgarity in public, in front of her child while speaking to her own mother. This isn't rocket science, it's a lesson in manners and how low self-respect has fallen.

Again, subjective attitudes have lowered our moral standards and made our society cruder.

Have you read this?

SHEFFIELD: Profanity greater on liberal blogs

Liberals are more than 12 times likely to use profanity than conservatives on the Web.

Ever wonder why it's true?

27 posted on 08/14/2008 7:12:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I am not arguing that fact. I am saying that if you try to regulate words or speach with laws that are criminal in nature we are no different than the mad mullahs in Iran.


28 posted on 08/14/2008 7:16:18 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I disagree. What one generation condones, the next practices. You try telling someone they are crude. Make sure that you have insurance.


29 posted on 08/14/2008 7:16:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: eastforker
Then what do you suggest? Things are only getting worse.
30 posted on 08/14/2008 7:19:48 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, maybe YOU should try getting the 1st ammendment repealed!


31 posted on 08/14/2008 7:23:49 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Rigid enforcement of morality legislation is no solution - though the occasional "example" is a good reminder.

The people get what the people want. And many people in this society (and on this site) desire free-flowing verbal sewage.

The "slippery slope" argument is quickly defeated by your reminder that "There really is right and wrong." Yet they still cling to their "But but but...you let him say such-and-such!"

When a community begins to unite in ostracizing these impolite potty-mouths, they'll clean up their language. And not until then - law or no law.
32 posted on 08/14/2008 7:29:59 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: eastforker

You have no suggestions? Just insults?


33 posted on 08/14/2008 7:30:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: LearsFool

You’re probably right. At least this site enforces manners. I just cannot understand people that believe vulgarity makes them sound intelligent when the exact opposite is true.


34 posted on 08/14/2008 7:32:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

That was no insult, you are the one that wants to regulate speach!


36 posted on 08/14/2008 7:33:14 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Cincinatus

This sort of reminds me of a time when I felt the need to use profanity in a pizza joint. Of course, I was a bit upset having just found broken glass in my food. The owners didn’t even bother to apologize.


37 posted on 08/14/2008 7:33:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: Cincinatus
Thank goodness Fire Chief Todd is on the job.

Hope he also issues tickets to those blasting music with filthy lyrics
& not just to young women that piss him off...

but maybe they have someone else do that (:
38 posted on 08/14/2008 7:33:18 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: DJ MacWoW
"You try telling someone they are crude. Make sure that you have insurance."

I've told any number of people I object to their language, behavior, attire etc. and when appropriate, I've spoken to their employers, managers, parents, etc. to advise them why I would no longer be doing business with, or associating with them. My point is, if large numbers of other people also did so, society would police its own mores. Criminalizing rude behavior is "easier" because citizens can cede their responsibilities to the police and government, but in giving up that responsibility one should also be cognizant of the liberties that are also being surrendered.

39 posted on 08/14/2008 7:34:30 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: eastforker

She can have any opinion she wants. Unfortunately, she hasn’t the brain wattage to voice it articulately without crudity.


40 posted on 08/14/2008 7:36:27 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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