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A new-style evangelical pastor ascends the political stage
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | Jane Lampman

Posted on 08/15/2008 1:24:22 PM PDT by TheDon

... A Southern Baptist minister who breaks the conservative mold. Touted by some as the likely successor to Billy Graham.

On Saturday, pastor Rick Warren, author of "The Purpose-Driven Life," will do what no one else has yet accomplished: bring the presumptive GOP and Democratic presidential nominees onto the same stage to discuss their views.

It's a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign. The event, back-to-back one-hour interviews at Mr. Warren's California megachurch, will be broadcast live on CNN and streamed on the Web. It also represents the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage, which is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," says D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

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Many leaders have spurred the broadening of the evangelical agenda, ... They have all sparked criticism from the religious right, which insists on hewing to a tight social agenda on abortion, homosexuality, and the courts.

Warren, too, is the frequent brunt of criticism. While theologically conservative and an opponent of abortion and same-sex marriage, he has been criticized for reaching out to leaders such as Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama.

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The feeling has grown that it's time to pull back from too close a connection to one political party. This has created an opening for Democrats, which Obama has tried to take advantage of, meeting with prominent evangelical leaders and reaching out to youths.

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(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


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KEYWORDS: ca2008; christianvote; mccain; megachurch; obama; rickwarren; saddleback
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1 posted on 08/15/2008 1:24:23 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: TheDon

‘Likely successor to Billy Graham’??? In your dreams ...


2 posted on 08/15/2008 1:29:15 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TheDon

He is getting praised by all the wrong people...


3 posted on 08/15/2008 1:29:51 PM PDT by ikka
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To: TheDon
CNN showcases this Rick Warren, PMSNBC Joel Osteen—so when a bashing story comes out against one or the other, smart people know which leftist organization is behind the smear.
4 posted on 08/15/2008 1:31:31 PM PDT by kcm.org (Conservatives bashing Sen. McCain has Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave!!!)
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To: TheDon

He’ll NEVER be the “new Billy Graham”, his successor or anything. Liberals can’t bulls__t God.


5 posted on 08/15/2008 1:33:31 PM PDT by RedCobra (s)
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To: bboop

‘Likely successor to Billy Graham’??? In your dreams ...

Exactly!


6 posted on 08/15/2008 1:34:12 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: TheDon
"Likely successor to Billy Graham"?

These chuckleheads never heard of Franklin Graham?
7 posted on 08/15/2008 1:34:18 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: bboop

That was my reaction as well. Stone throwing naysayer that I am.


8 posted on 08/15/2008 1:37:32 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I've done here today doesn't force you to have a negative opinion of me....)
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To: RedCobra
He’ll NEVER be the “new Billy Graham”, his successor or anything. Liberals can’t bulls__t God.

i'm sure Jane Lampman is an authority on Christianity

9 posted on 08/15/2008 1:38:46 PM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: TheDon
"I'm not left wing and I'm not right wing."

Interesting statement by Mr. Warren. Brings to mind a certain Bible verse about lukewarmness.......
10 posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:11 PM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: TheDon

Ahh....The Warrnites, “though opposed to same sex marriage and abortion...”

Sort of, they back burner those things in favor of Global Warming and Tax and Spend poverty programs for the 3rd and 4th world.

Obama’s .7% global poverty tax is right up the Warrenites alley...

“And every work will be tested by fire...”


11 posted on 08/15/2008 1:53:08 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

fyi


12 posted on 08/15/2008 1:55:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: padre35; pissant

Ohm...thanks for that info!


13 posted on 08/15/2008 1:57:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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An Excerpt:

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His questions will focus on how the candidates lead and make decisions and will cover five topics: leadership, stewardship, worldview, compassion issues, and their vision for America.

"This can be important as a model for a religious leader who is bipartisan in reaching out to find out about candidates," says C. Welton Gaddy, head of the Interfaith Alliance, in Washington, which has criticized some uses of religion in the campaign. "He's putting himself on center stage at a critical moment, with a tremendous amount of responsibility riding on his shoulders."

14 posted on 08/15/2008 2:06:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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he has been criticized for reaching out to leaders such as Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama. But he likes to respond, "I'm not left wing and I'm not right wing. I'm for the whole bird. You have to have two wings to fly."

Well Rick, it's hard to fly when the left wing has ailerons dragging the bird into the ground.

I'm gonna reserve judgement for now, but the two wing scenario reminds me too much of the current "Gang of Ten".

15 posted on 08/15/2008 2:14:51 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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I saw Rick Warren on t.v this morning. He's gone off the wagon, pushing the old "social justice" crap. He's forgotten that his commision is to preach the Gospel, not save the planet.

This is liberation theology, watered down for squishy suburban Christians, and sprinkled with eco-worship. As a movement, it has a lot of appeal, and will grow like gangbusters - right up until a real crisis comes.

Then, "Purpose-Driven Green Marxism" will collapse like a house of cards.
16 posted on 08/15/2008 2:21:30 PM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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I was just thinking that he is not anything like my SBC minister who preaches from the word of God and would not think of having any politicians as speakers. The more I learn about Rick, the less I like him and he can forget about being Graham’s successor. No way, no how.


17 posted on 08/15/2008 2:38:08 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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Rick Warren is a member of the "Emerging/Emergent Church" movement crowd. They're also "Seeker Sensitive"
It's a liberal gospel. This new religion is full of Eastern mysticism and Gnosticism, while systematically redefining the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and Prophets within a subjectivist, existentialist worldview.
18 posted on 08/15/2008 2:59:17 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: TheDon

Hmmm the MSM praising this guy? Is he another huckster?


19 posted on 08/15/2008 3:03:29 PM PDT by rrrod
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Rick Warren states:

“I have known many people who believe in the Messiah of Jesus, regardless of what religion they are, because they believe in him. It’s about a relationship, not a religion. You’ve heard this many times.”

In both the (New Age) New Spirituality and the Purpose-Driven Paradigm, doctrinal views (theological creeds) and the faith of Christianity are irrelevant:

“One day you will stand before God, and he will do an audit of your life, a final exam, before you enter eternity.… God won’t ask about your religious background or doctrinal views.” (Purpose Driven Life; p. 34)

“I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.”

Clearly, the message has changed! Rick Warren’s various statements render one’s religion irrelevant, even though he has acknowledged that all religions “have a different way to get to God”:

“...I have studied all the major religions … and they all just have a different way to get to God. Now, they are – anybody who has studied religions knows that they are mutually exclusive.”

Incidentally, Rick Warren has said, “Because I had been raised in a Christian home, I rejected it all, and I decided to study the religions of the world. I actually moved to Japan, and I studied Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism. I studied all the religions of the world.”12 Then he should know that religions aren’t just a “different way to get to God,” they follow different gods!

At the BWA [Baptist World Alliance]’s Centenary Congress, where the recurrent theme was “unity, unity, unity,”13 the following statements were made by Jimmy Carter and Rick Warren: “One of the world’s most prominent Baptists, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, said the desire for oneness is a powerful force for global good. Differences of belief -- even among Muslims, Jews and Christians -- are outweighed by a common commitment ‘to truth …’ Carter said.” (Emphasis added)14 “I don’t see many people interested in Christendom. But I see a lot of people interested in God.”

20 posted on 08/15/2008 3:20:23 PM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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