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"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
California Catholic Daily ^ | August 21, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/21/2008 4:43:58 PM PDT by kellynla

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) -- Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion -- especially politicians -- should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.

(Excerpt) Read more at calcatholic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicism; catholicpoliticians; communion; holycommunion; proabortionists
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To: sandyeggo

sandyeggo, you have done it again!

Nothing escapes your eagle eye :-)


41 posted on 08/21/2008 5:54:50 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: freedom9; humblegunner

You have your pass to come back on.

Meanwhile,—thanks to this prank-— we learned a lot about some posters on the forum.


42 posted on 08/21/2008 5:57:57 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: kellynla
Sorry, It was just a random click to reply on the page.

I will make an effort to never randomly click your moniker again

I said "except" and meant to say "except"
Don't like the way that sounded, too bad.

Don't care much for "catholic" or any other derivatives, but practicing Christians are fine in my book.

43 posted on 08/21/2008 6:02:45 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: Petronski

“Dude” I don’t reeeeeeeeeely care. LMAO


44 posted on 08/21/2008 6:31:21 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: humblegunner
How do they identify those who cannot receive communion?

For a lot of politicians...easy. Michigan Governor Granholm, for example...she probably attends two, maybe three churches on a regular basis. Every priest in the state knows who she is, knows whay her positions are. The same could be said for many elected officials.

I know a lot of priests and deacons. I even know a bishop pretty well. They all follow politics--not rabidly, but certainly well enough to know who the CINOs are.

45 posted on 08/21/2008 6:31:40 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: freedom9

hey, genius, if you didn’t get my message the first time,
I’ll repeat it.
I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU “THINK!”

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...


46 posted on 08/21/2008 6:34:00 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
"hey, genius, if you didn’t get my message the first time, I’ll repeat it. I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU “THINK!” gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

Then why all the posts to me, dumb ass

47 posted on 08/21/2008 6:36:36 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: kellynla; Sacajaweau; Clintonfatigued; humblegunner
I'm a Catholic, kelly. I find your attitude on this thread appalling.

There are a lot of folks on FR who do not share our faith. A few of those freepers have made comments on this thread, comments which seemed (to me, at least) to be inviting dialogue. You have chosen to attack those freepers rather than engage in discussion.

Sometimes I understand why Catholic freepers are given such a hard time on this forum. Thanks a bunch, Kel. Really Christian of you.

Gunner, let me know when your suspension is up.

48 posted on 08/21/2008 6:43:20 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Artemis Webb

The Bishops are unquestionably the weak link in The U.S. Church.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BINGO!

And...Their handmaidens are the professors and deans running the Marxist CINO universities.


49 posted on 08/21/2008 6:54:02 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: grellis

“A few of those freepers have made comments on this thread, comments which seemed (to me, at least) to be inviting dialogue?”

“dialogue?”

you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

You have a very strange conception of “dialogue”

“Gunner, let me know when your suspension is up.

FYI,”gunner” wasn’t “banned!”

gezzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Good evening.


50 posted on 08/21/2008 6:59:31 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: grellis
grellis,

I admire true Catholics. In my opinion a true Catholic is someone who abides by everything in their Catechism. **ALL** of it!!! I wish we had a nation filled to the brim with them.

It is the liberal/ Marxist “Catholic-in-Name-Only”, “Pick and Choose-Cafeteria” guys that make me GAG!!! My CINO alma mater was stuffed to the brim with them! Their true god was Karl Marx.

I can't tell you how many weddings I have been to with full mass, umpteen bridesmaids, organ, and singing, where the bride and groom have been living together in the same apartment up to the very night before the wedding!

The priest knows it, **all** the Catholic relatives know it...and...not one person stands up to say, “Stop this! It is a sacrilege to desecrate the holy sacrament of marriage in this manner!”

Should these young people be married? You bet they should!...In the rectory! The beautiful ceremony of full mass with bride in white should be reserved for worthy couples who are faithful in gospel.

51 posted on 08/21/2008 7:04:48 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: kellynla
“Dude” I don’t reeeeeeeeeely care. LMAO

You cared enough to gloat about it when you thought I was banned.

You got chumped.

And you don't like it.

You're kind of a weenie, huh?

52 posted on 08/21/2008 7:08:13 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: kellynla
you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

Point out where I posted that and I'll give you a dollar.

53 posted on 08/21/2008 7:09:40 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: freedom9
“Then why all the posts to me, dumb ass?”

you, calling anyone a “dumbass” is rich!

you, who can't spell, can't conjugate a verb and can't debate an issue without posting profanity...and knows even less about the Catholic Church & Catholicism other than to post insults about the Church and her members.

but to answer your question, all the posts to you are responses from me for remarks that you posted to ME...

let us all know when you “get it.” LMAO

Class dismissed!

54 posted on 08/21/2008 7:14:54 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: humblegunner

you think posting “I think the Vatican is over-run with vermin and scum.” is “dialogue?”

Point out where I posted that and I’ll give you a dollar.

I didn’t say you did...chump. LMAO


55 posted on 08/21/2008 7:16:56 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Artemis Webb
When Cardinal O Connor was alive he was pretty strict about those who are pro abortion.

To my knowledge Rudy did not receive communion when he attended St. Patrick's

Even Cardinal Egan (not one of my favorites) admonished Rudy when he received communion during the Holy Fathers recent visit.

56 posted on 08/21/2008 7:20:01 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Clintonfatigued
For example, with regard to abortion, shouldn’t the church only apply this to someone who has personally participated in an abortion?

No. Advocating and enabling the act of infanticide, whether it be privately or publicly, is just as serious a sin as directly procuring an abortion.

Can. 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.74 God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.75

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"76 "by the very commission of the offense,"77 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.78 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 # 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. the Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life.

2323 Because it should be treated as a person from conception, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed like every other human being.

1395 By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the Eucharist preserves us from future mortal sins. the more we share the life of Christ and progress in his friendship, the more difficult it is to break away from him by mortal sin. the Eucharist is not ordered to the forgiveness of mortal sins - that is proper to the sacrament of Reconciliation. the Eucharist is properly the sacrament of those who are in full communion with the Church.

1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.

57 posted on 08/21/2008 7:23:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Sacajaweau
Pass the communion...Let God settle it.

God will mete out the final punishment but one's conscience should prevent one from receiving unworthily, just as St. Paul warned nearly two millenia ago.

"For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 11:26-29

58 posted on 08/21/2008 7:39:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla

Too many liberal bishops and priests in the USA - they won’t do this. Some conservatives will.


59 posted on 08/21/2008 7:41:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: wintertime
...not one person stands up to say, “Stop this! It is a sacrilege to desecrate the holy sacrament of marriage in this manner!”

Not even you?

60 posted on 08/21/2008 7:45:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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