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9-year-old boy told hes too good to pitch
Yahoo Sports ^ | 8/25/08 | JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN

Posted on 08/25/2008 5:44:23 PM PDT by Teflonic

NEW HAVEN, Conn. —Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player— too good, it turns out.

The right-hander has a fastball that tops out at about 40 mph. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that the boy could not pitch any more. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.

Officials for the three-year-old league, which has eight teams and about 100 players, said they will disband Jericho’s team, redistributing its players among other squads, and offered to refund $50 sign-up fees to anyone who asks for it. They say Jericho’s coach, Wilfred Vidro, has resigned.

But Vidro says he didn’t quit and the team refuses to disband. Players and parents held a protest at the league’s field on Saturday urging the league to let Jericho pitch.

“He’s never hurt any one,” Vidro said. “He’s on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?”

The controversy bothers Jericho, who says he misses pitching.

“I feel sad,” he said. “I feel like it’s all my fault nobody could play.”

Jericho’s coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league’s administrators.

Jericho instead joined a team sponsored by Will Power Fitness. The team was 8-0 and on its way to the playoffs when Jericho was banned from pitching.

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This league seems to be as corrupt as the DNC. Feel so bad for the poor kid caught in the middle.
1 posted on 08/25/2008 5:44:25 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

In Texas, every college in the state would be recruiting him, nine years old or not. We don’t penalize excellence.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 5:48:47 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Teflonic

Sounds like socialism - equality of results - has oozed its way into little league baseball.

Kid has potential - can’t he play on a team with older kids? A MLB scout should be alerted to this story, he won’t be nine forever.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 5:49:00 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Teflonic

Sheesh! Let the kid pitch!

(I played baseball for 14 years and coached for 14 years.)


4 posted on 08/25/2008 5:49:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Teflonic

Sometimes it is hard to tell if there are any adults involved in certain community organizations. I’d call it childish politics, but that would be an insult to children.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 5:51:11 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Teflonic

So mom peeved the league leaders. Big deal. I would hope mom goes back and gives them double.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 5:52:58 PM PDT by healy61
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To: healy61

So, the whole league needs to disband because this woman doesn’t get her way? If she cared about her kid, and really wanted him to excel in his sport, she would have sat down with the league and seen where the best place for him would be. Stupid moron mother.


7 posted on 08/25/2008 5:54:47 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: Teflonic

So....a potentially great pitcher - who’s presence in the league would inspire others to be better - is not allowed to play.


8 posted on 08/25/2008 5:55:20 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Teflonic
What's the big deal about a team going undefeated? Some adult doesn't have their big-kid pants on. Some parent is ticked that their little Johnny is being shut out of the spotlight by this Jericho kid.
9 posted on 08/25/2008 5:55:56 PM PDT by Redgirl
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To: Teflonic
There is no such thing as a ‘good’ Komodo Dragon (Monitor Lizard)

Seems stupid to me.

In the little leagues around here a nine year old can only pitch 4 innings a game anyway.

10 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:29 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Teflonic
Jericho’s coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league’s administrators.

After raising 4 boys and being involved in little league for years Id say this is the crux of the matter.

11 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:44 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Teflonic
I coached LLB for seven years, the last two at the Williamsport tournament level (never got there, though).

Pitchers at the wrong level for their ability are the biggest problem. Cheating is the second biggest problem.

There are no "no limits" nine year old leagues that I know of. Every nine year old team has rule modifications to deal with the widely varying abilities of nine year olds.

If this kid's birth certificate (his REAL one) says he's nine, and he pitches two perfect games in a row, he should move up and pitch to kids who can hit him.

That's not socialism - that's instructional level sports.

12 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:44 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: Teflonic

I know his coach will back him, but I sure the hell hope his parents make sure he knows in clear terms that it is not his fault that nobody else can play.

It’s the liberal crybabies who can’t handle it and think fairness is achieved by destroying and punishing excellence.

And for none of the other parents to step up and say not to do this, what a bunch of pu$$ies they are. Just wimpy, limpy little pu$$ies.


13 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Teflonic
Pathetic. Nauseating. Almost makes me think OBL was right - we are weak, a paper tiger. "Too fast"

You know what? I gotta say, 40mph isn't even all that fast. When you go to batting cages, is it even possible to find a machine that pitches that slowly?

These are 9-year-olds and can't even face 40mph?

Just pathetic.

14 posted on 08/25/2008 6:00:05 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Hildy
So, the whole league needs to disband because this woman doesn’t get her way?

The whole league doesn't need to disband at all. They could, for example, let the kid and the kid's team play the damn baseball games as originally scheduled and stop being such ninnies.

15 posted on 08/25/2008 6:00:47 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Jim Noble
If this kid's birth certificate (his REAL one) says he's nine, and he pitches two perfect games in a row, he should move up and pitch to kids who can hit him. That's not socialism - that's instructional level sports.

It's also an intelligent, reasonable solution as opposed to the one actually implemented.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 6:02:41 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Teflonic
Here is an instance where I recommend a really vicious trial lawyer for the kid, his family and his team.

Put the league out of business.

17 posted on 08/25/2008 6:02:42 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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To: Teflonic
“He’s never hurt any one,” Vidro said. “He’s on target all the time. How can you punish a kid for being too good?”

Where have these people been for the last twenty years. It's called socialism and just look at how the politicians have punished success at every turn.

18 posted on 08/25/2008 6:02:48 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Baladas

On the surface, I’d agree, but it seems this is retribution because the guy who runs the league (and has the defending champion team) asked him to switch teams and he turned it down. Doesn’t this sound an awful lot like union retribution, or thug protection scams? Disgusting.

Colonel, USAFR


19 posted on 08/25/2008 6:04:23 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

They are nine year olds...the ball is being thrown TOO fast and I’m sure there are alot of parents who are worried about that. And on the other end, why play in a league you are far too good for. It’s like putting a 5th grader into a second grade class and expecting everyone to wait while he reads the 5th grade books. PUT HIM IN A LEAGUE HIS SKILLS BELONG IN..it’s good for him and it’s good for the other kids.


20 posted on 08/25/2008 6:06:31 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: Hildy

Now wait a minute - the kid wants to play with his friends, on the team he’s played on before. So Mom should think only selfishly of how successful he can be and put him on a team he doesn’t want to be on? This is the reason I have so much trouble with “elite” or “club” leagues at this age. A nine-year-old shouldn’t be pressured to “excel” at the expense of enjoying playing with his buddies.

Colonel, USAFR


21 posted on 08/25/2008 6:08:05 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Teflonic
I think I've seen this movie before...


22 posted on 08/25/2008 6:09:49 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: PGalt

What next? An 8th grad football team wont be allowed to compete in their league because two of the kids run the 100 in 10.3, A basketball team is kicked out because a kid hits 85% of his free throws....damn


23 posted on 08/25/2008 6:10:03 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Snurple

Yep, I agree.


24 posted on 08/25/2008 6:10:29 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic
When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.

The coach that forfeited the game should be run out of town. When the going got tough, this a-hole quit. He seems better suited to coaching baseball in France. I don't know how things work in Connecticut, but where I am from quitting is not taught as an American value.

25 posted on 08/25/2008 6:11:12 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Teflonic

Apparently, the kid is an exceptional player- far above the other players in skill level. So how does it benefit him to beat players who are at a much lower competition level? The answer is for him to play in a league with older kids.This will give him and his opponents the best chance to test their skills- and improve them.


26 posted on 08/25/2008 6:11:29 PM PDT by Krankor (N)
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To: Jim Noble; All

Thanks Jim. I’m going to direct everyone to your post #12. Thank you for saying what I was trying to say. For people who espouse common sense, it’s totally lacking on this thread. Seems everyone wants to make everything political now...I hate when there side does it, and I’m disappointed when our side does.


27 posted on 08/25/2008 6:13:35 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: Hildy

Thank-you for the feminine perspective.


28 posted on 08/25/2008 6:19:33 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Teflonic
So, the kid wants to continue playing with his friends. Let him.

Just not as pitcher.

Put him in the infield. Would probably make a lot of double plays with that arm.

Now everybody's happy. Where's my beer?

29 posted on 08/25/2008 6:24:24 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Me no bottom man. Me top man.)
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To: Hildy
They are nine year olds...the ball is being thrown TOO fast

"Too fast" for what? Among the objects of the position known as 'pitcher' in the game known as 'baseball' is to throw the ball as fast as you can, so that the batter is less able to put the ball into the field of play. This kid is apparently playing the game of baseball correctly, to the best of his ability.

Where do you get your conclusion that he's throwing the ball "too fast"? Again, 40mph is not really all that fast. And so what if he's throwing it "too fast"? Then the batters who face him will strike out. And?

This is a part of the game called 'baseball'. Parents who didn't want their kids to potentially experience this shouldn't have signed them up to play baseball. I suggest 'tumbling' or perhaps 'rhythmic clapping class' instead.

And on the other end, why play in a league you are far too good for. .... PUT HIM IN A LEAGUE HIS SKILLS BELONG IN..it’s good for him and it’s good for the other kids.

I liked the earlier poster's idea of bumping him up to a higher age-level. But that's not what this league did, to their utter discredit and shame.

30 posted on 08/25/2008 6:27:28 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Snurple
After raising 4 boys and being involved in little league for years Id say this is the crux of the matter.

My wife was recruited a few years back to coach a girls, youth softball team (~9-10 years olds, maybe). Of course, being recruited to fill the last coaching spot, the other coaches (one of which was the league organizer) has already selected the players for ALL the teams. Of course, my wife gets the "Bad News Bears"-type team. The leftovers...

The prize after the season was the opportunity to represent the league in a tournament among teams from all over the area. The tournament was to be put on by...the organizer of this league and coach of one of the other teams, the presumed league champs.

Of course, my wife, with all of 1 year experience playing softball, coached her team to the league championship. The tournament was promptly cancelled...

31 posted on 08/25/2008 6:27:50 PM PDT by Onelifetogive ("People..it is VERY important that you stay in the same country as your documents!".)
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To: Rebelbase
Oh my...is that the best you can come up with? Are you also saying that Jim Noble (See post #12) is a girl? This isn't the big leagues, it's little league baseball where you don't want to have to worry if your kid is going to get beaned by a fastball. I would assume it could be a big liability issue...if they know the kid is pitching way above his age range, and if he does hit a kid with a ball...nobody will be able to play little league again.

If my kid were that good, I would insist he play with kids his own range...FOR HIS SAKE. So HE could get better. It's not rocket science...it's better for EVERYBODY. I think this parent derives her own pleasure from watching her kid outpitch everyone. Well, wait until he gets older and he's not the big fish in the little pond. I'm sorry you don't see this.

32 posted on 08/25/2008 6:31:44 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: coconutt2000

Sometimes it is hard to tell if there are any adults involved in certain community organizations. I’d call it childish politics, but that would be an insult to children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My wife and I have two grandsons who play baseball, I went to some of the games and at times the “adults” who were coaching and umpiring acted far less mature than the six year olds on the field.


33 posted on 08/25/2008 6:38:19 PM PDT by RipSawyer (What's black and white and red all over? Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Jim Noble
I agree with you - if he is as good as it seems he is, then he needs to go with a more competitive team/league. At the very least, he should move up an age level.

As far as playing with his friends? That's not a big concern IMO. If he has a future, his friends should be encouraging him to improve and work with a team that will help him succeed.

I've seen this for over 10 years in softball - I have no reason to believe it's any different in baseball. Eventually, the other kids will catch up, or he will take that last step and be phenomenal.

34 posted on 08/25/2008 6:38:50 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (I'm trying to think of a new screen name - any suggestions?)
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To: Jim Noble

I vote for post #12 as well.

All the teams I have seen for kids in this age group have rules making sure all the kids get to play and that they play different positions. Pitchers are changed every couple of innings so more kids get the chance to develop their arms.

This kid is playing in a development league. What skills are developed when the pitcher is so far and away above the others. What are the kids playing in the infield and outfield learning? Navel gauzing and nose picking?

A common sense solution would have been to let the kid pitch a couple of innings and then put him in the field for a while. Unfortunately, some of the adults in this league decided not to exercise common sense. Happens all too often.


35 posted on 08/25/2008 6:39:16 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: Teflonic

Dude, the perfect baseball or softball game is when nothing ever happens! No hits from either team! Isn’t that the ultimate goal? (Pun unintended.)


36 posted on 08/25/2008 6:41:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I liked the earlier poster's idea of bumping him up to a higher age-level. But that's not what this league did, to their utter discredit and shame.

I guess you didn't read to the very end of the article:

League officials suggested that Jericho play other positions, or pitch against older players or in a different league.

Local attorney John Williams was planning to meet with Jericho’s parents Monday to discuss legal options.

So it looks like it all comes down to that very American ritual of "if you don't like it...SEND IN THE LAWYERS." Still stand by your comments?

37 posted on 08/25/2008 6:42:04 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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To: Snurple
What next? An 8th grad football team wont be allowed to compete in their league because two of the kids run the 100 in 10.3, A basketball team is kicked out because a kid hits 85% of his free throws....damn

Exactly. As a player when I was a kid, you didn't think anybody was that good or that much better than you, and if they had a "reputation" you always wanted to play against them, to beat them. As a coach, I carried that philosophy with my teams and even when we moved up in age bracket (2 year groupings) and had to play against teams older than us...we really enjoyed it when we beat some of them. I guess when we were the old group at age 14, that's what helped us win the Michigan Pony baseball state championship. Tough competition. It's what makes you better.

38 posted on 08/25/2008 6:44:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Hildy
Still stand by your comments?

No, I stand corrected. I didn't click through & read the article. (I miss the days when FR didn't have to excerpt :)

I still think 40mph isn't "too fast" in the first place, and the whole issue need not have been raised. The forfeiting also seems like a rather stupid reaction. But if the option of moving up in age-bracket was given, and the kid/parents refused it, I have to wonder why.

39 posted on 08/25/2008 6:46:21 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Hildy

You sure have an uptight-knot response to a compliment.


40 posted on 08/25/2008 6:49:05 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Teflonic

A kid who can throw that fast should a more than a few good people watching.


41 posted on 08/25/2008 6:50:40 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Hildy
P.S. Although, reading the article, the chronology is not clear; did the league suggest he move up an age-bracket before "they first told Vidro that the boy could not pitch after a game on Aug. 13"? Or only after, and after the mother raised a fuss? I guess I still reserve judgment on this.
42 posted on 08/25/2008 6:56:19 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: SoftballMominVA

I have a question for you. What I didn’t get from the article is whether or not there is an age limit in place determining the level the kids can play.

I know very little about baseball and softball. I’m going by the rules and policies in place for volleyball (rec, club and school), soccer (rec, travel, school), lacrosse (rec, school), basketball (rec, school). For example, in Club volleyball, a kid regardless of age has to “play up” meaning the kid has to play on the team that’s in accordance with her skill level even if she’s 13/14 and the rest of the team is 17/18. Happened to my oldest. She was always the youngest by 2 or 3 yrs. But in school ball, she had to play according to the school policy/rules so even if her skill level was varsity(7th/8th grade) she had to play jv if she was in 5th grade. High school is different in that when she was a 9th grader, she was playing Varsity anyway, etc.

In Soccer (rec council), another one of my kids has to play in the 12 yr old year league regardless of her skill level...she isn’t allowed to play in the 10/11 or 13 yr old league.

So my question is what’s the policy or rules for this particular league? Is he permitted to “play up?”


43 posted on 08/25/2008 6:59:22 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Psycho_Bunny

That’s what is sounds like to me but the article doesn’t give enough info.


44 posted on 08/25/2008 7:01:46 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Twink

Well it seems a little strange that the article doesn’t mention his height or weight, much less a picture. If he’s 7’7” and 275 pounds maybe that’s something, how are we to know?


45 posted on 08/25/2008 7:02:46 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Just pathetic.

Mr. Rogers generation.

46 posted on 08/25/2008 7:04:38 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: kittymyrib

My eleven-year-old nephew has a hot arm, and you are right: he’s had scots sniffing around him since he was nine years old.

Pitching is hard, and not many people can do it.


47 posted on 08/25/2008 7:08:49 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

This is how liberals react to something. Instead of confronting it, they abolish the whole game, road, program, etc.

Cowards all! And the kids suffer because of it.


48 posted on 08/25/2008 7:09:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: All

That should read “scouts”. I don’t know if any of them are Scots.


49 posted on 08/25/2008 7:10:11 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Rebelbase

After 10 years here at FreeRepublic I have learned that when attached to the term “FEMININE PERSPECTIVE” the comment is rarely meant as a compliment. If I’ve misunderstood your intention, I apologize.


50 posted on 08/25/2008 7:10:56 PM PDT by Hildy ("We do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.")
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